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I don't have to argue, period. An analogy is unnecessary. We are talking about psychedelics, not doping in sports. My opinion: people are likely commonly capab

I don't have to argue, period. An analogy is unnecessary. We are talking about psychedelics, not doping in sports. My opinion: people are likely commonly capable of working through things without the use of psychedelics, and we are crediting the substance and not the human being. I'm not anti-drugs by any stretch, just feel like a lot more research needs to be done before we can start stating things like they're facts. Can you otherwise disprove that it wasn't placebo effect and the individual wouldn't have otherwise figured it out without a placebo or with a sugar pill he was told was a microdose of psychedelics that would unlock the secrets of the universe?

kaoD 4y ago
Well, during victorian times people got through surgery without anesthetics. What's your point? Not sure why you think studies aren't controlling for placebo? Although it's obviously notoriously hard with psychedelics. Just to be clear: I agree that more studies are needed, just disagree with the rest of your statements.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  That over time, through time-proven hypothesis, we arrive at a modern understanding of our biology and psychology. So you openly admit that this is difficult to assess? That much we can agree on at least.
  - kaoD 4y ago
    In fact I'd go a step further and say that it's not only difficult but impossible to assess since it's pretty easy for the test subject to discern whether he was given a placebo or not, especially considering that the benefits are suspected to come from the induced experience itself and not the drug as a substance in isolation. You can't control if exercising is placebo either, can you? But the consensus is that it's physically and mentally beneficial. I don't think controlling for placebo is of great use here although it obviously has to be taken into account.

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I don't have to argue, period. An analogy is unnecessary. We are talking about psychedelics, not doping in sports. My opinion: people are likely commonly capab

by hammyhavoc 4y ago

kaoD 4y ago
Well, during victorian times people got through surgery without anesthetics. What's your point? Not sure why you think studies aren't controlling for placebo? Although it's obviously notoriously hard with psychedelics. Just to be clear: I agree that more studies are needed, just disagree with the rest of your statements.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  That over time, through time-proven hypothesis, we arrive at a modern understanding of our biology and psychology. So you openly admit that this is difficult to assess? That much we can agree on at least.
  - kaoD 4y ago
    In fact I'd go a step further and say that it's not only difficult but impossible to assess since it's pretty easy for the test subject to discern whether he was given a placebo or not, especially considering that the benefits are suspected to come from the induced experience itself and not the drug as a substance in isolation. You can't control if exercising is placebo either, can you? But the consensus is that it's physically and mentally beneficial. I don't think controlling for placebo is of great use here although it obviously has to be taken into account.