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What are you talking about? Is everyone who responded completely unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs? The animal was bought to be auctioned, and WAS auc

by vogt 4y ago

What are you talking about? Is everyone who responded completely unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs? The animal was bought to be auctioned, and WAS auctioned at the 4H fair. The article literally says the girl had a breakdown _at_ the auction.

krisoft 4y ago
> Is everyone who responded completely unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs? I don't know about other people, but I'm happy to admit that I'm unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs. > The article literally says the girl had a breakdown _at_ the auction. The Sacramento Bee article linked by the Guardian article says that they expressed their wish to not sell the goat before the auction. "Before the auction began, the family asked to back out but fair officials refused, saying fair rules prohibited that and put the goat up for auction,..." That sounds like a civilian dispute. Did the owner/family had the right to back out of the auction at that point or did they not? How can a law enforcement agent become a judge to decide on this?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > they expressed their wish to not sell the goat before the auction On the day of. Most auctions don’t permit this. (Again, livestock auctions have a lot of law around them. Their orderly functioning underlies several states’ economies. Teaching this is sort of 4-H’a point.) > can a law enforcement agent become a judge to decide on this? They got a warrant [1] [1] https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/2022-08-31-Complaint.pdf https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/2022-08-31-Complaint.pdf page 9
  - krisoft 4y ago
    > Teaching this is sort of 4-H’a Well this person certainly learned an important lesson about where meat comes from. > They got a warrant. By misrepresenting facts. And then the warrant didn't authorise them to hand the goat over to some other third party.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > misrepresenting facts This is alleged. Broadly speaking, a complaint alleging a “sham warrant” admits it’s on thin ice. > the warrant didn't authorise them to hand the goat over to some other third party The complaint alleges this. It’s a question of civil procedure.

by vogt 4y ago

krisoft 4y ago

> Is everyone who responded completely unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs? I don't know about other people, but I'm happy to admit that I'm unfamiliar with agriculture and 4H programs. > The article literally says the girl had a breakdown _at_ the auction. The Sacramento Bee article linked by the Guardian article says that they expressed their wish to not sell the goat before the auction. "Before the auction began, the family asked to back out but fair officials refused, saying fair rules prohibited that and put the goat up for auction,..." That sounds like a civilian dispute. Did the owner/family had the right to back out of the auction at that point or did they not? How can a law enforcement agent become a judge to decide on this?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> they expressed their wish to not sell the goat before the auction On the day of. Most auctions don’t permit this. (Again, livestock auctions have a lot of law around them. Their orderly functioning underlies several states’ economies. Teaching this is sort of 4-H’a point.) > can a law enforcement agent become a judge to decide on this? They got a warrant [1] [1] https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/2022-08-31-Complaint.pdf https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/2022-08-31-Complaint.pdf page 9
- krisoft 4y ago
  > Teaching this is sort of 4-H’a Well this person certainly learned an important lesson about where meat comes from. > They got a warrant. By misrepresenting facts. And then the warrant didn't authorise them to hand the goat over to some other third party.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > misrepresenting facts This is alleged. Broadly speaking, a complaint alleging a “sham warrant” admits it’s on thin ice. > the warrant didn't authorise them to hand the goat over to some other third party The complaint alleges this. It’s a question of civil procedure.