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I would guess because the notion of telling children hard truths is not the key issue in this event, and you're kind of taking a moment for animal rights advoca

I would guess because the notion of telling children hard truths is not the key issue in this event, and you're kind of taking a moment for animal rights advocacy which people can find obnoxious. Both are an important topic for discussion, for sure.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Thanks - but this is about animal rights and our culture of eating meat, is it not? If those people who took away the goat had more compassion then this little girl would still have her goat friend. The little girl and the goat had a bond and it was broken because we just view these animals as objects / property and not as sentient beings that 'are too much like us' as Carl Sagan used to say.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > is about animal rights and our culture of eating meat, is it not? One can make it about anything. These parents aren’t advocating against goats being slaughtered. I doubt any of them will stop eating meat. They’re advocating for a specific property interest.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    > Property interest And that's the point. Should a sentient being be regarded as property?
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Should a sentient being be regarded as property? If these parents were raising awareness for a pets’ right law, I’d be far more sympathetic. They aren’t. It’s also unclear what the ramifications would be if livestock someone else has bought can be poofed into a pet at the previous owner’s insistence.
      - uxcolumbo 4y ago
        It was a more generic question. Should a sentient being like a goat or a pig who passes the mirror test and is regarded to have the intelligence of a 2-3 year old child… should those animals be regarded as property, be exploited, made to suffer and their life taken away against their will? Even if we humans don’t need to exploit these animals anymore for our survival? We have the technology and knowhow to feed ourselves more sustainably and without causing environmental destruction and suffering as we do now.
        choko 4y ago
        Yes. Animals are tools and can be regarded as property. I do support regulations in how animals should be raised and treated, but regarding them on the same level as humans is fallacy. I've seen your evidence and it has failed to change my mind. Especially since a vegan diet isn't suitable or healthy for everyone. If it works for you, great. Follow your heart.
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        In your view - what makes an animal property? Is it OK to make your property suffer and kill it? And if so, why? And where did I say animals should be regarded the same as humans? The point is animals can suffer and they avoid pain if they can - just like we do. They seek happiness and safety - just like we do. Yet we breed them in the billions and put them in horrible living conditions just so we can have burger. It has nothing to do with following your heart. It's following science that tells us feeding the world with animal meat is not sustainable. It's about not supporting an industry that creates immense suffering and environmental destruction. And a plant based diet is healthy [0][1] and we have the technology to create healthier and more sustainable protein sources than factory farming animals. [0] A community of over 17,000 physicians proving you otherwise: https://www.pcrm.org/about-us https://www.pcrm.org/about-us [1] Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ https://gamechangersmovie.com/
        choko 4y ago

uxcolumbo 4y ago

Thanks - but this is about animal rights and our culture of eating meat, is it not? If those people who took away the goat had more compassion then this little girl would still have her goat friend. The little girl and the goat had a bond and it was broken because we just view these animals as objects / property and not as sentient beings that 'are too much like us' as Carl Sagan used to say.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> is about animal rights and our culture of eating meat, is it not? One can make it about anything. These parents aren’t advocating against goats being slaughtered. I doubt any of them will stop eating meat. They’re advocating for a specific property interest.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  > Property interest And that's the point. Should a sentient being be regarded as property?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > Should a sentient being be regarded as property? If these parents were raising awareness for a pets’ right law, I’d be far more sympathetic. They aren’t. It’s also unclear what the ramifications would be if livestock someone else has bought can be poofed into a pet at the previous owner’s insistence.
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      It was a more generic question. Should a sentient being like a goat or a pig who passes the mirror test and is regarded to have the intelligence of a 2-3 year old child… should those animals be regarded as property, be exploited, made to suffer and their life taken away against their will? Even if we humans don’t need to exploit these animals anymore for our survival? We have the technology and knowhow to feed ourselves more sustainably and without causing environmental destruction and suffering as we do now.
      - choko 4y ago
        Yes. Animals are tools and can be regarded as property. I do support regulations in how animals should be raised and treated, but regarding them on the same level as humans is fallacy. I've seen your evidence and it has failed to change my mind. Especially since a vegan diet isn't suitable or healthy for everyone. If it works for you, great. Follow your heart.
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        In your view - what makes an animal property? Is it OK to make your property suffer and kill it? And if so, why? And where did I say animals should be regarded the same as humans? The point is animals can suffer and they avoid pain if they can - just like we do. They seek happiness and safety - just like we do. Yet we breed them in the billions and put them in horrible living conditions just so we can have burger. It has nothing to do with following your heart. It's following science that tells us feeding the world with animal meat is not sustainable. It's about not supporting an industry that creates immense suffering and environmental destruction. And a plant based diet is healthy [0][1] and we have the technology to create healthier and more sustainable protein sources than factory farming animals. [0] A community of over 17,000 physicians proving you otherwise: https://www.pcrm.org/about-us https://www.pcrm.org/about-us [1] Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ https://gamechangersmovie.com/
        choko 4y ago