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> Unions may or may not have bankrupted companies, but did they ever engage in the same level of violence, physical intimidation, or criminal behavior as these

> Unions may or may not have bankrupted companies, but did they ever engage in the same level of violence, physical intimidation, or criminal behavior as these union busting alliances? I like unions, but... yes? Pretending that they haven't is ridiculous. There's a reason that people are complaining that police officers can act (nearly) as horrible/brutal as they want to and fact (close to) no consequences. That reason is their union. There's also video of union members physically and mentally attacking people for crossing picket lines, etc. When people get power, the bad eggs start causing problems for everyone else. And they also tend to gain power, so wind up making decisions for "the organization". This is true of both companies _and_ unions.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Does that behavior happen with other unions, such as teachers unions?
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  I don't know much about teachers unions. I know there are some (debateable) bad aspects of it, such as that they lean very heavily towards making it difficult to fire bad teachers that have seniority. But I've seen a number of good things about it too. Honestly, it's hard for a union of public workers to do a very good job, because (being critical workers), they have less leverage when it comes to exercising their power. The Teamsters in another union that has been mired in controversy due to their behavior.
- kennend3 4y ago
  We use to have a review panel where techers would discipline other teachers. They got to the point they were simply moving bad teachers around from school to school so our government had to pass laws to rebuild the entire corrupt process. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s02007 https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s02007 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-7-2018-1.4695439/union-s-defence-of-elizabeth-wettlaufer-was-grossly-disappointing-says-employment-lawyer-1.4695440 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-7-2... This nurse murdered a number of patients. her union protected her and hid her misconduct. Instead of being fired, back door deals were made to transfer her from hospital to hospital. it was easier, firing her would create union problems and so the hospitals agreed to "go with the flow" and allow her to continue killing.
kennend3 4y ago
This is EXACTLY why i am not fond of unions.. the police. Here (Ontario, Canada) we have dozens and dozens of police collecting full salary for YEARS pending criminal trials. Cant fire them, cant do anything about it. Instead of "defund the police" we need a way to reduce the police union power and FIRE bad cops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Wettlaufer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Wettlaufer She killed many people before finally turning herself in. Her union PROTECTED her, hid her mistakes, etc. Derek Chauvin had like 6 misconduct write-ups. Elizabeth had over 200

Apocryphon 4y ago

Does that behavior happen with other unions, such as teachers unions?

RHSeeger 4y ago
I don't know much about teachers unions. I know there are some (debateable) bad aspects of it, such as that they lean very heavily towards making it difficult to fire bad teachers that have seniority. But I've seen a number of good things about it too. Honestly, it's hard for a union of public workers to do a very good job, because (being critical workers), they have less leverage when it comes to exercising their power. The Teamsters in another union that has been mired in controversy due to their behavior.
kennend3 4y ago
We use to have a review panel where techers would discipline other teachers. They got to the point they were simply moving bad teachers around from school to school so our government had to pass laws to rebuild the entire corrupt process. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s02007 https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s02007 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-7-2018-1.4695439/union-s-defence-of-elizabeth-wettlaufer-was-grossly-disappointing-says-employment-lawyer-1.4695440 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-june-7-2... This nurse murdered a number of patients. her union protected her and hid her misconduct. Instead of being fired, back door deals were made to transfer her from hospital to hospital. it was easier, firing her would create union problems and so the hospitals agreed to "go with the flow" and allow her to continue killing.

kennend3 4y ago

This is EXACTLY why i am not fond of unions.. the police. Here (Ontario, Canada) we have dozens and dozens of police collecting full salary for YEARS pending criminal trials. Cant fire them, cant do anything about it. Instead of "defund the police" we need a way to reduce the police union power and FIRE bad cops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Wettlaufer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Wettlaufer She killed many people before finally turning herself in. Her union PROTECTED her, hid her mistakes, etc. Derek Chauvin had like 6 misconduct write-ups. Elizabeth had over 200