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Then I have a task for you. Try to handle the truth that the west cannot geostrategically survive Russia becoming China's backyard. Look directly at that truth

Then I have a task for you. Try to handle the truth that the west cannot geostrategically survive Russia becoming China's backyard. Look directly at that truth and let me know if and when you've handled it.

selfhoster11 4y ago
I mean, that sounds pretty obvious to me. I’m no geopolitical expert so I cannot picture what the world looks like in this scenario, but it would definitely be bad. On the other hand, if the Ukraine war and related political stresses prove sufficient, we may actually see Russia split apart. That would make it so that China no longer has a single throat to choke with respect to Russia. It would likely have great knock-on effects with respect to nuclear MAD balance worldwide, since Russia has thus far been US’s largest rival there.
- wikitopian 4y ago
  As a purely hypothetical, counterfactual mind game, how would you adapt your position if Russia were winning the ground war, economically stable, and firmly behind both Putin and the war?
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    I don’t know what to think of this scenario, other than that it has very strong parallels to the German invasion of 1939. I’d feel horrified, helpless and powerless, coupled with some mixture of: - “damn, it’s a shame they couldn’t hold out for longer” - “at least it’s not my own country” - “my home country is just next door, so I sure hope they’ll stop at Ukraine and don’t go any further yet” - “I’m so lucky I moved abroad and live on the other end of the continent away from all this”
- towaway15463 4y ago
  Russia splitting apart or potentially collapsing entirely is a doomsday scenario. If you’re cheering it on then you’re living in a fantasy land and will receive a very rude and radioactive wake up call if you get your wish.
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    I’m not cheering it on, I’m saying it’s possible despite most people not being aware of this. And I very much do not want a nuclear war, given the death toll.
mupuff1234 4y ago
> cannot geostrategically survive Just seems like a 2nd cold war on steroids. Not sure why the west won't be the one to survive as opposed to Russia & China. But also, doesn't that strengthen the argument that the west must intervene? What would you rather oppose, a weaken Russia + China (not to mention a stronger NATO alliance with Finland, Sweden & Ukraine) or a stronger Russia + China?

selfhoster11 4y ago

I mean, that sounds pretty obvious to me. I’m no geopolitical expert so I cannot picture what the world looks like in this scenario, but it would definitely be bad. On the other hand, if the Ukraine war and related political stresses prove sufficient, we may actually see Russia split apart. That would make it so that China no longer has a single throat to choke with respect to Russia. It would likely have great knock-on effects with respect to nuclear MAD balance worldwide, since Russia has thus far been US’s largest rival there.

wikitopian 4y ago
As a purely hypothetical, counterfactual mind game, how would you adapt your position if Russia were winning the ground war, economically stable, and firmly behind both Putin and the war?
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  I don’t know what to think of this scenario, other than that it has very strong parallels to the German invasion of 1939. I’d feel horrified, helpless and powerless, coupled with some mixture of: - “damn, it’s a shame they couldn’t hold out for longer” - “at least it’s not my own country” - “my home country is just next door, so I sure hope they’ll stop at Ukraine and don’t go any further yet” - “I’m so lucky I moved abroad and live on the other end of the continent away from all this”
towaway15463 4y ago
Russia splitting apart or potentially collapsing entirely is a doomsday scenario. If you’re cheering it on then you’re living in a fantasy land and will receive a very rude and radioactive wake up call if you get your wish.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  I’m not cheering it on, I’m saying it’s possible despite most people not being aware of this. And I very much do not want a nuclear war, given the death toll.

mupuff1234 4y ago

> cannot geostrategically survive Just seems like a 2nd cold war on steroids. Not sure why the west won't be the one to survive as opposed to Russia & China. But also, doesn't that strengthen the argument that the west must intervene? What would you rather oppose, a weaken Russia + China (not to mention a stronger NATO alliance with Finland, Sweden & Ukraine) or a stronger Russia + China?