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Do you support the "colonial settlement" of Indo-Europeans outside of the original Yamnaya territory, or should they all go back to the steppe and give Finns, D

by sershe 4y ago

Do you support the "colonial settlement" of Indo-Europeans outside of the original Yamnaya territory, or should they all go back to the steppe and give Finns, Dravidians, Basques, etc. right to return? Should the English GTFO to Denmark/Normandy/... and give the island back to the Welsh/etc.? What about Turks, should they move back to Central Asia and give Anatolia back to Greece? If those are not your proposals, perhaps we can just chill for a few hundred years until Israelis living where they have built a state is old enough for you to accept? :D Oh yeah for extra credit, do the facts that Crimea, definitely, and Eastern regions, arguably, were transferred to Ukraine very recently; and then Ukraine supposedly "oppressed" them by revoking some status from Russian language, etc., justify the annexation of Crimea and/or the invasion by Russia? Cause, you know, "history", and "oppression"!

panick21_ 4y ago
Yeah its always funny when the defense of colonialism is 'ohters' did it too. The different of curse being that what we are talking about is much more recent and until very recently in living memories, with people still having the keys to the houses they were forced out of. And secondary that by now the Vikings stopped arriving in Engalnd, while the Zionists continue to steal more and more land despite their agreements not to do so. We can't change history, but saying well in the past we didn't prevent colonization, so why not just accept the systematic repression of Palestinian and the clear policy of ethnic cleansing. How is that morality? How can you justify that? That you have to talk about the viking age to justify your position tells volumes. But the reality is, Israel is established, and its not moral to push them out and destroy it. However, how the fuck can you justify that the colonization is still going on. Literally ever year Israel is doing its best to import as many people as they can settle them into strategic territories in the West Bank where they continually take away more and more water. And even worse leading right wing parties internal plan is to shed another few million Palestinians and then treat the small Palestians enclaves as Bantustans or not unlike Jews Gettos in Nazi Germany. Used at most to extract cheap labor. So good luck with your historical justification for oppressing people. I'm sure the Nazis were also justified in their policy 'hey, historically jews were slaughtered during the crusade, so why are people so angry at us?'.
- sershe 4y ago
  I do not at all agree they are oppressing people or there's any kind of systematic repression. I view the settlements, although regrettable, as a normal defense mechanism, given that Palestinians have never followed the rules before when they thought they have enough power or enough dictators supporting them to force the situation. As for oppression in general, would you claim Israeli Arabs have worse life than Palestinians? I doubt it. Living under Israeli control in a peaceful way I'm pretty sure working much better for them. On the other hand, in the name of belonging to a different desert death cult, i.e. out of pure anti-semitism, surrounding states sacrifice the Palestinians' lives. They used to just invade every now and then; now that they are weak they instead invest in brainwashing people like you. They rejected 2-state compromise more so than Israel, then they captured the Palestinian territories in 1948 war and controlled them for 20 years (were people then crying about occupation and oppression?) but that was not enough for them either, etc. They are not good faith actors and are treated really well by Israel given that - compared to most other states treating people in the same situation, including now (e.g. Myanmar). "Keys to houses" lol. They could have been living normal lives in Israel OR Jordan for 50 years. But no, in the name of "different death cult"/nationalistic propaganda they choose to suffer and make Israelis suffer. "Literally ever year Israel is doing its best to import as many people as they can settle them into strategic territories" funny, when right-wingers say it its rightly called out as a racist conspiracy "replacement" theory. I am personally pro-immigration; but hey, I guess it's horseshoe theory in action :D

by sershe 4y ago

panick21_ 4y ago

Yeah its always funny when the defense of colonialism is 'ohters' did it too. The different of curse being that what we are talking about is much more recent and until very recently in living memories, with people still having the keys to the houses they were forced out of. And secondary that by now the Vikings stopped arriving in Engalnd, while the Zionists continue to steal more and more land despite their agreements not to do so. We can't change history, but saying well in the past we didn't prevent colonization, so why not just accept the systematic repression of Palestinian and the clear policy of ethnic cleansing. How is that morality? How can you justify that? That you have to talk about the viking age to justify your position tells volumes. But the reality is, Israel is established, and its not moral to push them out and destroy it. However, how the fuck can you justify that the colonization is still going on. Literally ever year Israel is doing its best to import as many people as they can settle them into strategic territories in the West Bank where they continually take away more and more water. And even worse leading right wing parties internal plan is to shed another few million Palestinians and then treat the small Palestians enclaves as Bantustans or not unlike Jews Gettos in Nazi Germany. Used at most to extract cheap labor. So good luck with your historical justification for oppressing people. I'm sure the Nazis were also justified in their policy 'hey, historically jews were slaughtered during the crusade, so why are people so angry at us?'.

sershe 4y ago
I do not at all agree they are oppressing people or there's any kind of systematic repression. I view the settlements, although regrettable, as a normal defense mechanism, given that Palestinians have never followed the rules before when they thought they have enough power or enough dictators supporting them to force the situation. As for oppression in general, would you claim Israeli Arabs have worse life than Palestinians? I doubt it. Living under Israeli control in a peaceful way I'm pretty sure working much better for them. On the other hand, in the name of belonging to a different desert death cult, i.e. out of pure anti-semitism, surrounding states sacrifice the Palestinians' lives. They used to just invade every now and then; now that they are weak they instead invest in brainwashing people like you. They rejected 2-state compromise more so than Israel, then they captured the Palestinian territories in 1948 war and controlled them for 20 years (were people then crying about occupation and oppression?) but that was not enough for them either, etc. They are not good faith actors and are treated really well by Israel given that - compared to most other states treating people in the same situation, including now (e.g. Myanmar). "Keys to houses" lol. They could have been living normal lives in Israel OR Jordan for 50 years. But no, in the name of "different death cult"/nationalistic propaganda they choose to suffer and make Israelis suffer. "Literally ever year Israel is doing its best to import as many people as they can settle them into strategic territories" funny, when right-wingers say it its rightly called out as a racist conspiracy "replacement" theory. I am personally pro-immigration; but hey, I guess it's horseshoe theory in action :D