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Its between $8/month and $99/month, and the highest tier includes all Jetbrains products. That looks... reasonable?

by scambier 4y ago

Semaphor 4y ago
It’s $25 or $125 (includes all product pack, requires min 50 users) per usermonth. The OP said on prem.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Seems like a completely trivial sum of money for a key professional tool?
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    I’m not disagreeing, just wanted to correct what prices are talked about ;)
dzikimarian 4y ago
On prem is starting at $25/mo/user. This tool includes chat, wiki etc, so you want to bring business people too. Suddenly it's couple grands per month + hosting fees, and you're still hostage, as despite using own servers it will stop working as soon as you miss scheduled payment. Since Spaces integrate half of functionality your company needs - of course you will pay. Compare that to other Jetbrains products, where you pay similar amount once and you can use it forever and you'll see how huge step back it is. I'm happy for everyone in this thread, that it's trivial for your organization to budget $100k+ (realistically, for mid-size org it's something like this to fully integrate and then pedal back from solution of this size if suddenly you are out of the money - eg. Atlassian estimates 9 month+ migration for its jira instances), however for me it's still kinda big bet :-)
- scambier 4y ago
  My bad, I missed you were talking about on prem. Genuine question though (I'm just an average salaried dev), what are the advantages of on prem in this case? It looks like it's just costlier, will require more maintenance work, but the end you're still hostage of that same proprietary software.
  - dzikimarian 4y ago
    You're exactly right :-) And that's the problem. Please take a look at other Jetbrains products - you pay for them once and if you decide to not pay anymore you can still use current version indefinitely. Honestly I really don't understand people that say that's reasonable pricing - all these "coffee a day" subscriptions tend to quickly amount to salary of additional developer and you have no flexibility to cut it without serious issues.

Its between $8/month and $99/month, and the highest tier includes all Jetbrains products. That looks... reasonable?

Semaphor 4y ago

It’s $25 or $125 (includes all product pack, requires min 50 users) per usermonth. The OP said on prem.

chrisseaton 4y ago
Seems like a completely trivial sum of money for a key professional tool?
- Semaphor 4y ago
  I’m not disagreeing, just wanted to correct what prices are talked about ;)

dzikimarian 4y ago

On prem is starting at $25/mo/user. This tool includes chat, wiki etc, so you want to bring business people too. Suddenly it's couple grands per month + hosting fees, and you're still hostage, as despite using own servers it will stop working as soon as you miss scheduled payment. Since Spaces integrate half of functionality your company needs - of course you will pay. Compare that to other Jetbrains products, where you pay similar amount once and you can use it forever and you'll see how huge step back it is. I'm happy for everyone in this thread, that it's trivial for your organization to budget $100k+ (realistically, for mid-size org it's something like this to fully integrate and then pedal back from solution of this size if suddenly you are out of the money - eg. Atlassian estimates 9 month+ migration for its jira instances), however for me it's still kinda big bet :-)

scambier 4y ago
My bad, I missed you were talking about on prem. Genuine question though (I'm just an average salaried dev), what are the advantages of on prem in this case? It looks like it's just costlier, will require more maintenance work, but the end you're still hostage of that same proprietary software.
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  You're exactly right :-) And that's the problem. Please take a look at other Jetbrains products - you pay for them once and if you decide to not pay anymore you can still use current version indefinitely. Honestly I really don't understand people that say that's reasonable pricing - all these "coffee a day" subscriptions tend to quickly amount to salary of additional developer and you have no flexibility to cut it without serious issues.