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I can believe that it'll be rough at first, but jetbrains is really good at iteratively improving their products. that said, I'm not incredibly interested in i

by chrsig 4y ago

I can believe that it'll be rough at first, but jetbrains is really good at iteratively improving their products. that said, I'm not incredibly interested in it. Maybe if I were at a company that just got a series A or something, and was starting to hire quickly, and didn't already have an entrenched environment. I'll probably make use of their remote environments at some point -- it solves a lot of cross-platform development problems. Still has some rough edges though, based on my 10 minute attempt to use it. I'm at the point where the only thing I want from them is to be able to use a single ide for multiple languages in the same project. I've brought it up before on HN, and it seems like for at least some of their products you can still use as plugins to intellij. But clion really throws a wrench into that.

bcjordan 4y ago
+1 having to juggle multiple IDEs for a multi language project is clunky.
- mdaniel 4y ago
  Yeah, bonus points for them seeming to use the same `.idea` directory but in incompatible ways :sob:
  - chrsig 4y ago
    this a big part of that-- the different ides can't even share the same root directory. it'd be 50% solved if they just used `.idename` I'd like to share run configurations between them, which would remain unsolved by that.
    - mdaniel 4y ago
      That run configuration one I'd guess is only partially true, since the recent ones write them to `.run/foo.xml` versus the old style `.idea/runConfiguration/foo.xml`. I haven't dug into it in order to know if the structure of the IJ xml versus the PyC .xml etc differs, but I'd guess they're a lot more likely to share code than the teams that write the Project persistence
mdaniel 4y ago
> But clion really throws a wrench into that. I was curious what the experience was since (as you pointed out) there's no C/C++ plugin to add to IJ but I thought _surely_ CLion would support their JDK bread and butter, but damn if it doesn't > "*.java files are supported by IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Try IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate" :-/
- pjmlp 4y ago
  JetBrains products are the only Java IDE that doesn't support JNI debugging and development, they rather sell two licenses. Android Studio supports that use case, because Google has gotten so bad feedback from leaving NDK users stranded, that they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio.
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    > they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio. Wow, that sounds huge given that as a paying "all you can eat" user I don't believe that I can even install the CLion plugins. Do you happen to have a link talking about that deal?
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      One of many, https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/206163809-What-does-CLion-integration-in-Android-Studio-mean-for-InteliJ https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/po... Enjoy the JetBrains answer.

by chrsig 4y ago

bcjordan 4y ago

+1 having to juggle multiple IDEs for a multi language project is clunky.

mdaniel 4y ago
Yeah, bonus points for them seeming to use the same `.idea` directory but in incompatible ways :sob:
- chrsig 4y ago
  this a big part of that-- the different ides can't even share the same root directory. it'd be 50% solved if they just used `.idename` I'd like to share run configurations between them, which would remain unsolved by that.
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    That run configuration one I'd guess is only partially true, since the recent ones write them to `.run/foo.xml` versus the old style `.idea/runConfiguration/foo.xml`. I haven't dug into it in order to know if the structure of the IJ xml versus the PyC .xml etc differs, but I'd guess they're a lot more likely to share code than the teams that write the Project persistence

mdaniel 4y ago

> But clion really throws a wrench into that. I was curious what the experience was since (as you pointed out) there's no C/C++ plugin to add to IJ but I thought _surely_ CLion would support their JDK bread and butter, but damn if it doesn't > "*.java files are supported by IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate Try IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate" :-/

pjmlp 4y ago
JetBrains products are the only Java IDE that doesn't support JNI debugging and development, they rather sell two licenses. Android Studio supports that use case, because Google has gotten so bad feedback from leaving NDK users stranded, that they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio.
- mdaniel 4y ago
  > they eventually got an agreement to have Clion plugins as part of Studio. Wow, that sounds huge given that as a paying "all you can eat" user I don't believe that I can even install the CLion plugins. Do you happen to have a link talking about that deal?
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    One of many, https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/206163809-What-does-CLion-integration-in-Android-Studio-mean-for-InteliJ https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/po... Enjoy the JetBrains answer.