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> The pale white skin is a well known proxy for ethereal/angelic beings In European and European derived culture...

by oblio 4y ago

Ekaros 4y ago
Chinese seem to be quite a fans too of white jade like skinned beauties...
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
Of course they did. But Disney is not making culture, they are making entertainment for making money. Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not. EDIT: sorry, misread your comment, no, not only in European cultures, it's consistent across the cultures throughout history. White is the light, first men loved light and hated dark, in darkness lure grave dangers. For example in African mythologies fairies are white too, pearl white to be precise. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumboes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumboes
- oblio 4y ago
  > Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not. Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture, that's a huge discussion. But for sure the TV series is culture. * * * Cool link! True, the association with light is strong, universally. Actually, there was also the social class factor in any culture where tanning is highly visible: aristocrats vs everyone else, who had to work outside. No tan = upper class.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture Fair enough, point taken. I should have phrased it better. Let's put it this way: Tolkien was an intellectual and a Linguistic Professor, his works have cultural relevance, he was trying to write the new British mythology from the POV of a scholar, he wasn't thinking about writing a best seller to get rich. Conversely, I love the Terminator, but Terminator has no cultural relevance, it is popular culture or pop culture, it lives among us, yes, but the reason why it exists is entertaining people that go to the movies.
samatman 4y ago
Yes. An Italian was talking about an Italian story. They're Europeans. What did you intend this statement to contribute?
- jeromegv 4y ago
  The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian. So watching a Disney movie, I’m not watching an Italian movie featuring an Italian story, just watching Disney. I’m watching a common fable. And in that case, I really don’t see why everyone HAS to be white. Not asking to change the original Italian book here. But the reality of Disney as a global storyteller is that it became a lot more than an Italian story.
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  - mwint 4y ago
    “Pinocchio” looks like something that should be on an Italian restaurant menu. I’d bet a majority of Americans would guess it came from Italy
  - 29083011397778 4y ago
    > The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian. I love the contrast between being woke ("Be inclusive and represent all people") and being woke ("Taking another cultures history and erasing the cultural aspects of it, making it all white, is bad") on display here.
  - samatman 4y ago
    Saying you didn't know that Pinocchio (!!) was set in Italy (!!!) is like saying you didn't know the first half of the Little Mermaid was set underwater.
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LunaSea 4y ago
You wouldn't want to encourage cultural appropriation would you know?

> The pale white skin is a well known proxy for ethereal/angelic beings In European and European derived culture...

by oblio 4y ago

> The pale white skin is a well known proxy for ethereal/angelic beings In European and European derived culture...

Ekaros 4y ago

Chinese seem to be quite a fans too of white jade like skinned beauties...

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

Of course they did. But Disney is not making culture, they are making entertainment for making money. Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not. EDIT: sorry, misread your comment, no, not only in European cultures, it's consistent across the cultures throughout history. White is the light, first men loved light and hated dark, in darkness lure grave dangers. For example in African mythologies fairies are white too, pearl white to be precise. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumboes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yumboes

oblio 4y ago
> Tolkien is culture, Amazon's rings of power is not. Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture, that's a huge discussion. But for sure the TV series is culture. * * * Cool link! True, the association with light is strong, universally. Actually, there was also the social class factor in any culture where tanning is highly visible: aristocrats vs everyone else, who had to work outside. No tan = upper class.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Funny. Culture is almost everything. If we like it or not, if it's high or low culture Fair enough, point taken. I should have phrased it better. Let's put it this way: Tolkien was an intellectual and a Linguistic Professor, his works have cultural relevance, he was trying to write the new British mythology from the POV of a scholar, he wasn't thinking about writing a best seller to get rich. Conversely, I love the Terminator, but Terminator has no cultural relevance, it is popular culture or pop culture, it lives among us, yes, but the reason why it exists is entertaining people that go to the movies.

samatman 4y ago

Yes. An Italian was talking about an Italian story. They're Europeans. What did you intend this statement to contribute?

jeromegv 4y ago
The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian. So watching a Disney movie, I’m not watching an Italian movie featuring an Italian story, just watching Disney. I’m watching a common fable. And in that case, I really don’t see why everyone HAS to be white. Not asking to change the original Italian book here. But the reality of Disney as a global storyteller is that it became a lot more than an Italian story.
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- mwint 4y ago
  “Pinocchio” looks like something that should be on an Italian restaurant menu. I’d bet a majority of Americans would guess it came from Italy
- 29083011397778 4y ago
  > The reality is that at least as a North American, nobody even knows it is an Italian story. We all know Pinocchio from our childhood. Nobody knows it’s Italian. I love the contrast between being woke ("Be inclusive and represent all people") and being woke ("Taking another cultures history and erasing the cultural aspects of it, making it all white, is bad") on display here.
- samatman 4y ago
  Saying you didn't know that Pinocchio (!!) was set in Italy (!!!) is like saying you didn't know the first half of the Little Mermaid was set underwater.
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LunaSea 4y ago

You wouldn't want to encourage cultural appropriation would you know?