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When I took a trip to Canada, immigration asked the guy ahead of me where he was staying and he said “with my girlfriend” and subsequently got grilled for 10 mi

by refurb 4y ago

When I took a trip to Canada, immigration asked the guy ahead of me where he was staying and he said “with my girlfriend” and subsequently got grilled for 10 min about the details of his relationship. And if he had refused to answer he would have been denied entry.

curiousgal 4y ago
You seem to have missed the point completely so let me point it out for you (no pun intended). > demand on foreigners to inform the Israeli authorities within 30 days of starting a relationship with a Palestinian ID holder. Most countries grill people who come on a touristic visa to stay with their SOs simply because there is usually a sperate visa scheme for that purpose. The issue here is that the policy only targets part of the population, hence the outcry.
- nailer 4y ago
  > the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.
  - curiousgal 4y ago
    The mental gymnastics. Oof
    - nailer 4y ago
      It’s mental gymnastics that people outside your country are foreigners? OK. Open a map. A map made by anyone. See a border? Not the same state.
  - pbarthelemy 4y ago
    Palestinians as foreigners ? Ok, then, thanks ! You just recognized Palestine as a country … ( pro-Israel people can’t have it both ways : denying Palestinian statehood or implying it depending on the issue being discussed…)
    - ReptileMan 4y ago
      Palestinians are stateless. This doesn't make them less of foreigners.
      - realce 4y ago
        Palestinians, people that belong to a nation with national borders that exist today, that have remained in the same place for thousands of years, are stateless individuals? That's strange.
        ReptileMan 4y ago
        They may have nation, but they don't have a state. The basic definition of state is monopoly of violence over a territory and ability to defend it.
        realce 4y ago
        Oh that totally sounds like the civilized definition of a State.
    - nailer 4y ago
      We’ll they’re outside the borders of Israel. Open a map made by anyone to check this. I’m glad you understand.
travis_brooks 4y ago
Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.
- diego_moita 4y ago
  The only problem with the government's reaction to the honkers was that it took too long. Remember Sir John Diefenbaker's: freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you want, it is not the right to do whatever you want. The moment those honkers started interfering with the tranquility, safety and professional activities of other people they were no longer doing free speech, they were doing vandalism and terrorism. BTW, it was terrorism supported by foreigners (in the US).
  - philistine 4y ago
    The convoy did things that were all previously seen in Canadian history. Occupying the street in front of Parliament Hill with vehicles, honking incessantly, being very antagonistic towards the local populace. What was novel was the amount and time they spent doing those things. I had previously seen tractors occupy Wellington Street, and being generally very loud. For six hours. They afterwards left in orderly fashion, their point made. The convoy was delusional in the thinking that leaving after the protest was not part of the discourse.
- davidy123 4y ago
  As a Canadian, who lives near one of the main sites, it was not over the top. The "truckers" (in reality, it was some truckers, and a lot of yahoos looking for a good time or attention) were tolerated for quite a while doing quite a few things that went well beyond any reasonable protest, were in fact blatently illegal, easily amounted to occupying key infrastructure that the vast majority of Canadians did not want them to occupy, creating many hazards with constant intended-only-for-emergency-use air horns, diesel fumes, and intimidation. They substantially shut down commerce and cross-border traffic for days and weeks. They even posted a manifesto demanding the government step down, with no basis in law or popular support. Ironically, it was the mainstream media, the legends in their own minds streamers, and a few select looking-for-attention US channels that made it seem like they had a lot of popular support (through in-crowd shots, amplifying poorly substantiated claims, etc), where at best they have pockets of support. Oh, and spend more than 30 seconds talking to them, and you'll see how quickly their ideas go to poorly researched conspiracy theories.
shapefrog 4y ago
Ahh so he went to stay with his "girlfriend who lives in canada" ... sure thing bud. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my%20girlfriend%20who%20lives%20in%20canada https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my%20girlfri...

by refurb 4y ago

curiousgal 4y ago

You seem to have missed the point completely so let me point it out for you (no pun intended). > demand on foreigners to inform the Israeli authorities within 30 days of starting a relationship with a Palestinian ID holder. Most countries grill people who come on a touristic visa to stay with their SOs simply because there is usually a sperate visa scheme for that purpose. The issue here is that the policy only targets part of the population, hence the outcry.

nailer 4y ago
> the policy only targets part of the population No it doesn’t. Palestinians are outside Israel. It targets specific foreigners, not Arabs or Christians or anyone else.
- curiousgal 4y ago
  The mental gymnastics. Oof
  - nailer 4y ago
    It’s mental gymnastics that people outside your country are foreigners? OK. Open a map. A map made by anyone. See a border? Not the same state.
- pbarthelemy 4y ago
  Palestinians as foreigners ? Ok, then, thanks ! You just recognized Palestine as a country … ( pro-Israel people can’t have it both ways : denying Palestinian statehood or implying it depending on the issue being discussed…)
  - ReptileMan 4y ago
    Palestinians are stateless. This doesn't make them less of foreigners.
    - realce 4y ago
      Palestinians, people that belong to a nation with national borders that exist today, that have remained in the same place for thousands of years, are stateless individuals? That's strange.
      - ReptileMan 4y ago
        They may have nation, but they don't have a state. The basic definition of state is monopoly of violence over a territory and ability to defend it.
        realce 4y ago
        Oh that totally sounds like the civilized definition of a State.
  - nailer 4y ago
    We’ll they’re outside the borders of Israel. Open a map made by anyone to check this. I’m glad you understand.

travis_brooks 4y ago

Given the Canadian government's over the top reaction to the trucker protesters earlier this year I'm not at all surprised to hear they behave like the oppressive Israelis when dealing with foreign travelers. Didn't used to be this way, even a few years ago.

diego_moita 4y ago
The only problem with the government's reaction to the honkers was that it took too long. Remember Sir John Diefenbaker's: freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you want, it is not the right to do whatever you want. The moment those honkers started interfering with the tranquility, safety and professional activities of other people they were no longer doing free speech, they were doing vandalism and terrorism. BTW, it was terrorism supported by foreigners (in the US).
- philistine 4y ago
  The convoy did things that were all previously seen in Canadian history. Occupying the street in front of Parliament Hill with vehicles, honking incessantly, being very antagonistic towards the local populace. What was novel was the amount and time they spent doing those things. I had previously seen tractors occupy Wellington Street, and being generally very loud. For six hours. They afterwards left in orderly fashion, their point made. The convoy was delusional in the thinking that leaving after the protest was not part of the discourse.
davidy123 4y ago
As a Canadian, who lives near one of the main sites, it was not over the top. The "truckers" (in reality, it was some truckers, and a lot of yahoos looking for a good time or attention) were tolerated for quite a while doing quite a few things that went well beyond any reasonable protest, were in fact blatently illegal, easily amounted to occupying key infrastructure that the vast majority of Canadians did not want them to occupy, creating many hazards with constant intended-only-for-emergency-use air horns, diesel fumes, and intimidation. They substantially shut down commerce and cross-border traffic for days and weeks. They even posted a manifesto demanding the government step down, with no basis in law or popular support. Ironically, it was the mainstream media, the legends in their own minds streamers, and a few select looking-for-attention US channels that made it seem like they had a lot of popular support (through in-crowd shots, amplifying poorly substantiated claims, etc), where at best they have pockets of support. Oh, and spend more than 30 seconds talking to them, and you'll see how quickly their ideas go to poorly researched conspiracy theories.

shapefrog 4y ago

Ahh so he went to stay with his "girlfriend who lives in canada" ... sure thing bud. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my%20girlfriend%20who%20lives%20in%20canada https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my%20girlfri...