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like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to

like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.

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nailer 4y ago
Recognition from those countries is a fact. Recognition from more countries depends on peace talks. I’m sure you understand this and we don’t need to explain it.
- dis-sys 4y ago
  It depends on Israel to show genuine willingness to respect the legitimate rights of those Palestinians and to comply with UN resolutions.
  - kenrose 4y ago
    It depends on both sides to show genuine willingness of the rights of the peoples on both sides. Absolutely, Israel still has more steps to take towards peace (eg, removing settlements). Historically though, PA leadership has rarely demonstrated any honest desire for compromise or peace. Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.
    - dis-sys 4y ago
      > Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter. You are free to call Hamas a terrorist group, I don't have big problem on that. However, a very bold however, using the existence of Hamas as an excuse to paint the ongoing sufferings of Palestinians as "there is a reason behind it" or "Palestinians have their own faults as well" is not helpful - Palestinians kids growing up in isolation, poverty, anger, fear and lack of education are the ones joining Hamas tomorrow.
      - nailer 4y ago
        The responsible party in Palestinian territories is Hamas. It’s not a bad idea for Israel to start supplying their neighbour (maybe with big “a gift from Israel” stickers on whatever they donate) but Hamas is the government.
kenrose 4y ago
Citation for that stat? Like it or not, 30% of the world’s countries identify as Muslim majority and part of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. None of those countries recognize Israel as a state. Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  > Citation for that stat? Have a look at the wiki on it. They are a country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of...
- dis-sys 4y ago
  > Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact. The statehood is all about recognization. Please check your favorite dictionary, e.g. mine says state·hood /ˈstātˌho͝od/ the status of being a recognized independent nation. When talking about such recognization, there are around 8 billion people living on earth today, out of that 8 billion real people, only about 1.5 billion (18%) living in countries that do not recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereign state. a quick break down - 750 million living in Europe, almost the entire Europe refuses to recognize the State of Palestine. 450 million in North America 130 million in Japan 30 million in Australia & New Zealand 70 million in Thailand When the vast majority of the human race recognize it as a state, when the statehood is all about recognization. It is a fact.
  - kenrose 4y ago
    By that argument, the State of Israel is not a state? Since those same countries (Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) do not in fact recognize Israel’s existence. The recognition you point to from other countries, is, at its heart, political. Those other countries are Muslim majority and vehemently anti-Israel. Ignoring that political and religious bias is intellectually dishonest. But, if you still maintain Palestine is indeed a state, please answer the following: - when was its independence? - who is the leader? - what is its currency? - who are its main trade partners?

like it or not, more than 60% of all countries in the world recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereignty state. It is a fact, not something remain to be negotiated.

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nailer 4y ago

Recognition from those countries is a fact. Recognition from more countries depends on peace talks. I’m sure you understand this and we don’t need to explain it.

dis-sys 4y ago
It depends on Israel to show genuine willingness to respect the legitimate rights of those Palestinians and to comply with UN resolutions.
- kenrose 4y ago
  It depends on both sides to show genuine willingness of the rights of the peoples on both sides. Absolutely, Israel still has more steps to take towards peace (eg, removing settlements). Historically though, PA leadership has rarely demonstrated any honest desire for compromise or peace. Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter.
  - dis-sys 4y ago
    > Hamas, currently the government in Gaza, literally calls for the “obliteration” of the State of Israel as part of its charter. You are free to call Hamas a terrorist group, I don't have big problem on that. However, a very bold however, using the existence of Hamas as an excuse to paint the ongoing sufferings of Palestinians as "there is a reason behind it" or "Palestinians have their own faults as well" is not helpful - Palestinians kids growing up in isolation, poverty, anger, fear and lack of education are the ones joining Hamas tomorrow.
    - nailer 4y ago
      The responsible party in Palestinian territories is Hamas. It’s not a bad idea for Israel to start supplying their neighbour (maybe with big “a gift from Israel” stickers on whatever they donate) but Hamas is the government.

kenrose 4y ago

Citation for that stat? Like it or not, 30% of the world’s countries identify as Muslim majority and part of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. None of those countries recognize Israel as a state. Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact.

lostlogin 4y ago
> Citation for that stat? Have a look at the wiki on it. They are a country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of...
dis-sys 4y ago
> Just because a bunch of countries believe (or don’t believe) something doesn’t make it a fact. The statehood is all about recognization. Please check your favorite dictionary, e.g. mine says state·hood /ˈstātˌho͝od/ the status of being a recognized independent nation. When talking about such recognization, there are around 8 billion people living on earth today, out of that 8 billion real people, only about 1.5 billion (18%) living in countries that do not recognize the State of Palestine as a full sovereign state. a quick break down - 750 million living in Europe, almost the entire Europe refuses to recognize the State of Palestine. 450 million in North America 130 million in Japan 30 million in Australia & New Zealand 70 million in Thailand When the vast majority of the human race recognize it as a state, when the statehood is all about recognization. It is a fact.
- kenrose 4y ago
  By that argument, the State of Israel is not a state? Since those same countries (Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) do not in fact recognize Israel’s existence. The recognition you point to from other countries, is, at its heart, political. Those other countries are Muslim majority and vehemently anti-Israel. Ignoring that political and religious bias is intellectually dishonest. But, if you still maintain Palestine is indeed a state, please answer the following: - when was its independence? - who is the leader? - what is its currency? - who are its main trade partners?