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Israeli rules say West Bank visitors must declare love interest
- Kukumber 4y ago
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- xkbarkar 4y ago
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- eis3nheim 4y agoWhy should we focus on Ukraine, what is the difference between a Human who lives in Ukraine or a Human who lives in Palestine?
- lostlogin 4y agoI think OP is making the point that now is a good time for oppressive states to start doing their thing. The world is distracted.
- kergonath 4y agoMore than one terrible thing can happen at the same time.
- forinti 4y agoYou can't now ignore that Israel is the state. And if that is the case, can they treat their citizens like this? How is it different from apartheid?
- 1337shadow 4y ago
- yessirwhatever 4y agoIsrael is an occupying state
- nailer 4y ago
- yessirwhatever 4y ago
- the_only_law 4y agoIsrael is occupying Ethiopian Jews?.
- nailer 4y agoOh you’re right I used beta incorrectly. Israel is occupying Israel and Judea, which Ethiopian Jews also fled.
- watoc 4y agoForeigners have to declare a relationship with a Palestinian within 30 days to the country occupying the West Bank. How is that similar in any way to what's happening in the US!?? It is apartheid.
- lozenge 4y agoWhy does it apply only to relationships with Palestinians and not with Israeli citizens? People who are born and live in Israel's occupied territories are barred from Israeli citizenship due to their ethnic and religious background. That's apartheid.
- yangmung123 4y ago
- Cenk 4y agohttps://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...
- koheripbal 4y agoStrange then that Gaza is firing missiles into Israel rather than negotiating for peace and independence. Israel has repeatedly said that Gaza can be free and independent if they would just stop firing missile over the border into Israel and sign a peace agreement. It's insane that people here are taking sides, including the above linked organizations, instead of pressuring Hamas (which controls Gaza) to accept a peace deal. There are not settlements in Gaza. There are no Israeli soldiers in Gaza. It's the simplest easiest peace deal - stop shooting missiles at Israeli cities. ...and for those who don't understand why they do not do this incredibly easy thing - it is because Hamas is entirely funded and owned by Iran, who specifically forbids any peace with Israel.
- throw_a_grenade 4y agoMaybe Israel should stop shooting people on the Gazan side of the wall within the so called "buffer zone". Why one side shooting is good and the other side is bad?
- koheripbal 4y agoShooting at the border goes both ways at the Gazan border. It's a tense border in what is effectively a war zone. No one should approach it from either side. Again, stop trying to take sides in a war you have no skin in the game. It's easy to tell Gazans to keep fighting Israel from the comfort of your basement. Real courage is in advocating a peace deal for Gaza.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoit is funny how american "ally"ness with israel somehow manages to put a cover on the "western" democracy values and "freedoms".... i am pretty sure the moment israel-usa relations turn sour, usa would wake up to the "inhuman treatment" and "apartheid".... right now its all fair and square and under the approval of American interests so its all fine. even EU hasn't had that "woke" moment with Palestinian yet, most probably because of the same pro-israel lobby....
- DFHippie 4y agoThe relationship has been pretty sour since Netanyahu for a lot of Americans. He openly meddled in internal US politics, like Putin but with less gaslighting.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoapparently not sour enough
- DFHippie 4y agoRather, not for enough Americans. Netanyahu won the hearts of Republican voters by openly treating Obama with contempt.
- noisy_boy 4y ago> The regulations laid out in a lengthy document include a demand on foreigners to inform the Israeli authorities within 30 days of starting a relationship with a Palestinian ID holder. I hope the lengthy document also lays out the specifics of what constitutes the "start of a relationship" so that all such relationships can be duly planned to comply with the framework. Hopefully it also covers the handling for "in-flight" relationships.
- TheGigaChad 4y ago
- dumpsterfire583 4y agoNot that what the rules actually say matters to anyone here, but you can read the text for yourself (the article even links to them): "A foreigner married to a resident of the Area, or forming a couple with one, must proceed to make arrangements according to Part 4 of this procedure before arriving at the Area. If the relationship starts after the foreigner arrived at the Area, then the authorized COGAT official must be informed in writing (at a special e-mail address) within 30 days of the relationship's start. At the same time, an application must be submitted to the Palestinian Authority for formalizing the status in accordance with Part 4 of this procedure. For the purpose, the "starting date of the relationship" shall be considered the day of the engagement ceremony, of the wedding, or of the start of cohabitation – whichever occurs first." "Under this procedure, entry and resident permits for the Area are divided into various categories. Permits under Part 2 of this procedure are intended for a short visit in the Area, lasting no more than three months, whereas permits under Part 3 of the procedure are resident permits issued for various specific purposes in accordance with the provisions of this section. Part 4 of this procedure refers to applications for formalizing status in the Area and to the possibility of receiving permits for foreign spouses of the Area's residents to reside together with their Palestinian spouses (i.e. spousal permits) when an application that the foreign spouse's status be formalized has been submitted by the Palestinian Authority but rejected." In short, if you become engaged, married, or cohabiting, then yes you may not qualify anymore for the visa you entered under (and need a different permit), and have to report that within 30 days.
- dis-sys 4y ago> In short, if you become engaged, married, or cohabiting, then yes you may not qualify anymore for the visa you entered under (and need a different permit), and have to report that within 30 days. Who gives Israel the rights to issue such visas in the first place? US made tanks and missiles? Why should Palestinians apply Israeli visas to enter and stay in Palestinian land?
- ReptileMan 4y agoBecause they lost three wars and three chances of peace. Vae Victis. They could have settled for much more generous conditions in 1948 ot 1967
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- SnowHill9902 4y agoPerfectly reasonable for a zone which has been at war for decades, and a country which has avoided daily suicide attacks by placing checkpoints and strict borders. This is another undesirable but necessary step in that direction.
- tyingq 4y agoI'm at the opposite end, where it's hard to be outraged about a new rule like this for a different reason. It's a place where a state sniper openly murders a journalist and nothing happens. I had already assumed this kind of thing was in place.
- hestefisk 4y agoHave you heard about human rights?
- tibbon 4y agoI know border crossings can take a while, but explaining my polycule is going to make this a long process. I hope they have time for tea, paper diagrams and Google Calendar.
- ethotool 4y agoThis policy is nothing compared to the reality of the situation on the ground. The treatment of the native Palestinian people is much worse than this and Israeli crimes are consistently covered up by the mainstream media and Internet companies like Google.
- jacooper 4y agoAn illegal Apartheid occupation, what do you expect. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
- koheripbal 4y agoI expect better. It's easy to ask Palestinians and Gazans and Israelis to fight and die from the comfort of our western basements, but how many of you have the courage to point to a peace deal and publicly advocate that the sides sign it to end the conflict? How many comments and articles on social media (including HN) push people to take sides instead? Seldom to I see articles or comments even mention the last viable peace deal that was on the table. It's the worst kind of journalism, and it attracts the worst kind of online participants.
- ethics13 4y agoI feel like I’m on Reddit reading these comments.
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- happytoexplain 4y agoPosts are often flagged for the quality of the discussion, not the quality of the article. Have you read the comments here?
- TearsInTheRain 4y agoIm not jewish and visited Israel recently for several weeks. Despite thinking I had a pretty good knowledge base of the situation beforehand, actually being there, and talking to people with actual stake in the region it became obvious that the opinions of people who have never been to Israel and dont have any skin in the game (95% of this thread) are completely off base, un-nuanced and literally worthless.
- cinbun8 4y agoPerhaps you can tell us how it was different?
- TearsInTheRain 4y agoI dont like giving an opinion for the same reasons I was complaining about. I dont have stake in the region and there is so much nuance in the history im still missing. Things that I found striking though were that there are huge populations of arabs that live peacefully in Israel so this apartheid narrative is complete nonsense. The power dynamics are pretty set in stone, Israel will never have to give up an ounce of land that they dont want to. Anyone that talks about who has what right to what pieces of land are completely out of touch with that. It is irrelevant at this point. And Israel is making massive investments in the country. Palestinians could easily partake in that economic expansion but instead devote a significant portion of their economic activity to the conflict with Israel which has 0% chance of changing anything ever. Pretty sad imho
- hckrnrd 4y ago> there are huge populations of arabs that live peacefully in Israel so this apartheid narrative is complete nonsense. For many, the narrative has superseded reality. And that’s the crux of the issue. If only more people had your level of willingness to explore the facts on the ground with their own eyes. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective.
- Bakary 4y agoVisiting the country for only a few weeks isn't going to give you much more insight on the place than random commenters, especially if by your own admission you were already prone to overestimating your understanding.
- sershe 4y agoI like how much context the media gives on this issue "Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in the 1967 Middle East War" - no mention, of course, of the fact that Jordan occupied it after 1948 war. And that at the initial Palestinian state was supposed to be Jordan, known then as Trans-Jordan, and the later, proposed UN partition created the state of Israel with multiple impossible-to-defend chokepoints to cut - if somehow they accepted this partition in 1948, given the real, factual history of attacks on it by neighboring states they wouldn't exist already. With journalists who ought to be well-informed, I cannot chalk it up to incompetence - it's anti-semitism, pure and simple. ADDED oh and, having been an immigrant to both Canada and US, all this kind of stuff is relatively normal. By relatively I mean given the relative security situation. Especially on family visas (not my case) where the US literally checks on your private life to ensure it's not fraud. On non-immigrant visa they grill you about potential jobs you might have lined up, or any relationships you might have, in case you are lying about your intent. Or, you could try to check out the medical restrictions that (used to?) exist when immigrating to Canada. Of course just like with the history, half-truths are necessary here to create the correct narrative that this is somehow abnormal.
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- francoispon 4y agoI got the same all the time in US immigration (flying to texas) they ask me thousands of personal questions about my family, my universities, if I am gay or bisexual??? I think people need to take a good look at US immigration too,
- rajishx 4y agoI live in israel, I am jewish practicing and a lot of my friends (outside of work, we are running togethere) are muslim, and most people don't care about politics, just saying it's not that black and white....
- wahnfrieden 4y agothat's called complicitness