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You were on the other side of the table

by jbverschoor 4y ago

pjmlp 4y ago
That is obvious from my comment.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  What's obvious is that you still don't Get It. Your experience as an employee is completely irrelevant to how Nokia treated the press. Plenty of companies have workforces that treat each other well but treat their customers, vendors, press, etc like they're subhuman annoyances.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    I do get it alright. Some people had a bad experience with a couple of folks and decided to extrapolate to everyone in the company. Every single company has such pearls. If they don't, they aren't yet big enough.
    - metacritic12 4y ago
      No you still don't. It's not about which Nokia employee. It's about whether they were external vs internal facing. E.g. I can perfectly believe the employees of the DMV are super sweet to each other, while being the bane of customers.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Have you stop for a second to wonder what might have been my set of roles, or what kind of relationship I might have had with Nokia customers? Same applies to thousands of other employees.
        metacritic12 4y ago
        What was it then? Were you in a customer facing role? This wasn't clear from your original post at all -- you just said you had a lot of fun working there, not that you felt you treated customers super well. If you were customer facing, and taking at face value you were wonderful to work with for outsiders, then yes, within Nokia you were a great outside facing person (and I'm sure there was at least 1 other in such a big company). But also with a lot of poor outside facing people (from the comments in this thread).
- IntelMiner 4y ago
  The point was your experiences are not reflective of reality of outside partners
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    For that you need to actually know what my experiences with outside partners happened to be like, but you don't. A couple of people got some bad seeds and pretend everyone on the customer business units behave the same way. No that wasn't my unit, but it also wasn't pure internal engineering bubble with zero customer contact.

You were on the other side of the table

pjmlp 4y ago

That is obvious from my comment.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
What's obvious is that you still don't Get It. Your experience as an employee is completely irrelevant to how Nokia treated the press. Plenty of companies have workforces that treat each other well but treat their customers, vendors, press, etc like they're subhuman annoyances.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  I do get it alright. Some people had a bad experience with a couple of folks and decided to extrapolate to everyone in the company. Every single company has such pearls. If they don't, they aren't yet big enough.
  - metacritic12 4y ago
    No you still don't. It's not about which Nokia employee. It's about whether they were external vs internal facing. E.g. I can perfectly believe the employees of the DMV are super sweet to each other, while being the bane of customers.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Have you stop for a second to wonder what might have been my set of roles, or what kind of relationship I might have had with Nokia customers? Same applies to thousands of other employees.
      - metacritic12 4y ago
        What was it then? Were you in a customer facing role? This wasn't clear from your original post at all -- you just said you had a lot of fun working there, not that you felt you treated customers super well. If you were customer facing, and taking at face value you were wonderful to work with for outsiders, then yes, within Nokia you were a great outside facing person (and I'm sure there was at least 1 other in such a big company). But also with a lot of poor outside facing people (from the comments in this thread).
IntelMiner 4y ago
The point was your experiences are not reflective of reality of outside partners
- pjmlp 4y ago
  For that you need to actually know what my experiences with outside partners happened to be like, but you don't. A couple of people got some bad seeds and pretend everyone on the customer business units behave the same way. No that wasn't my unit, but it also wasn't pure internal engineering bubble with zero customer contact.