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Grooveshark Bites Back: We’ll Fight Universal in Court, Not The Press
- cq 15y agoI still think Grooveshark is the best cloud music service there is. I can't stand spotify or google music.
- paul9290 15y agoAre you willing to pay $10 a month for GrooveShark once they are forced to change their business model? Pardon the pessimism, but I don't recall any online music service that didn't negotiate with the labels first surviving these lawsuits. Though maybe I am forgetting one that is still around and going strong?
- Karunamon 15y agoEh, there's a first time for anything. Maybe it'll finally take a company with more guts than brai^H^H^H^Hbusiness acumen to finally stand up to these bullies.
- earbitscom 15y agoYou did read all of the letters from King Crimson and the Eagles who try every day to get their music taken down from Grooveshark and cannot, right? Now who's the bully?
- Karunamon 15y agoI haven't heard of that one yet.. got a link?
- modoc 15y agohttp://digitalmusicnews.com/stories/101311cc http://digitalmusicnews.com/stories/101311cc
- invisible 15y agoA competitor's co-founder spouting off half-truths is legit. What you read on DMN should be taken with a grain of salt.
- earbitscom 15y agoMy personal bias does not make what everybody knows about Grooveshark less true.
- OriginalSyn 15y agoIf Universal shuts down Grooveshark they set a precedent that can get Youtube shutdown, because they are run on the same model. Users upload content, Grooveshark removes content and users when they get DMCA complaints.
- paul9290 15y agoI don't think the YouTube analogy works here, because YouTube's main focus was never to be an online music service. That is Grooveshark's sole purpose and is marketed as. There are many music services that allowed that same thing and are no longer around like muxtape for example. Also the wild west that YouTube was is no longer, as they pay they labels. Maybe Grooveshark won't go the way of all the other unlicensed music services & they'll negotiate the proper licenses to remain in business? If that happens their model will be like Spotify and the others(pay monthly fee for mobile access). Though will it's users stick around or jump ship to what service I'm not sure? I don't know of any other Grooveshark like services as the press only covers Spotify, MOG and Rdio these days.
- samtp 15y agoYou can make your own music, just like you can make your own videos. I think the analogy works pretty well
- paul9290 15y agoSure, but the masses are not listening to the unknown bands. They are listening to the best talent in the world which the labels find, cultivate, market and create icons out of - ones that the MASSES follow, love and adore. Further the majority (Grooveshark's users/visitors) are there to listen to the label's music not the unknowns. Now if the unknowns are really good then they'll get a record deal because they want to be heard by as many as possible (become famous). Just like us entrepreneurs wisely seek out investment to grow our businesses artist do the same with the labels. Some artists could say "I hate the labels they will never sign me!" Though once that artist gets a following and a taste for money/fame they'll change their mind! They'd be foolish not to!
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- sukuriant 15y agoI already pay 9$ a month for GrooveShark, so ... yes.
- dhughes 15y agoNot after their recent redesign, hate it!
- PagingCraig 15y agoWhat's wrong with Spotify?
- gcp 15y agoFacebook.
- sukuriant 15y agoThis. This is exactly why I do not ever use Spotify. Ever. I downloaded it, installed it, then noticed I needed a Facebook account and never looked back.
- rmc 15y agoDoesn't work in some countries.
- docgnome 15y agoIrrelevant, irritating, LOUD ads played in between movements of a single piece that are tied together. It's really irritating to be listening to something and have Spotify suddenly SCREAM at me the lyrics to some country song about taking my clothes off that I would NEVER be interested in, which Spotify would know if they could be bothered to look at my listening history, or even my last.fm account, both of which they can see. That said, I still use it to listen to music I haven't yet purchased.
- sjs 15y agoHere in Canada I can't use Spotify, Pandora, Google Music, or Amazon's thing without jumping through hoops and proxies, and I'm just too old and lazy for such shenanigans now. Grooveshark has me as a customer for life whether the labels want want to play nice with them or not. The only alternatives we have are Rdio, Slacker, and maybe a couple of others. None of them are nearly as good as Grooveshark. Grooveshark's biggest drawback is having to jailbreak to get their iOS app, and that's not something they have control over. Major points to them for developing it anyway for a smaller jailbreak audience.
- chrischen 15y agoIt doesn't sound like you've even tried Spotify or Google music, as google music does not do the same thing as Grooveshark or Spotify.
- aswanson 15y agoWow. Had no clue there was such a thing as "Google music ".
- john2x 15y ago"$271,350,000" Wow. And all they had to do was read a comment on a blog post. If I didn't know any better (I'm not sure I do), I'd say piracy is big business for the entertainment industry.
- pavel_lishin 15y agoI wonder if there's any money to be made in posting comments that companies can use to file frivolous lawsuits. For $5, I'll claim that I watched the CEO of Grooveshark waterboard an orphan while listening to a song he didn't own.
- adammacleod 15y agoNews at 5! Grooveshark co-conspirator pavel_lishin releases shock claims that CEO waterboarded helpless orphan child whilst stealing money from legitimate artists! More to follow.
- bookwormAT 15y agoSee also: "Battling the Internet Water Army: Detection of Hidden Paid Posters" http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1111/1111.4297v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1111/1111.4297v1.pdf
- hammock 15y agoWe use the label's songs till we get a 100m uniques, by which time we can tell the labels who is listening to their music where, and then turn around and charge them for the very data we got from them, ensuring that what we pay them in total for streaming is less than what they pay us for data mining. This part doesn't quite make sense to me. Besides being news to me that this is their business model, how could it possibly be that UMG is willing to pay more for the data about a song play than they charge for that play?
- adrianwaj 15y agoI think the data helps determine terrestrial radio playlists - it's what made last.fm an attractive acquisition. It may also help with targeting certain demographics and geographics with music in advertising, tv and film.
- sliverstorm 15y agoI hope you aren't upset about this revelation.The quality of their service is pretty high, I don't recall ads, nor do I recall having to pay a subscription fee. If you are discomfited by it, take comfort knowing that the only reason they get money for it is they are selling the amalgamation of what thousands (millions?) of listeners chose; from the sound of it, you are going to be completely invisible among the masses.
- thebooktocome 15y agoThere are plenty of ads, unless you're a paid account. Look at the sidebar to the right.
- overcyn 15y agoThat was from an internal email. I can't find any sources saying that grooveshark is actually making money from the labels.
- harryf 15y agoA trial of this nature could end as a fantastic promotion for Grooveshark, assuming they can survive it.
- paul9290 15y agoSure similar to the lawsuits and trials of Napster, Kazaa, Limewire, Muxtape and all the others that were sued out of existence.
- yuhong 15y agoI still remember the WordPress/Thesis fiasco that involved Twitter, blog comments and Mixergy interviews.
- siddhant 15y agoDo you have a link? Thanks!
- yuhong 15y agoHere is some: http://wordpress.tv/2010/07/15/mixergy-interview-pearson-mullenweg/ http://wordpress.tv/2010/07/15/mixergy-interview-pearson-mul... http://mashable.com/2010/07/22/thesis-relents/ http://mashable.com/2010/07/22/thesis-relents/ http://wptechguy.com/2010/07/matt-mullenweg-and-wordpress-v-chris-pearson-and-thesis/ http://wptechguy.com/2010/07/matt-mullenweg-and-wordpress-v-... http://jane.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/thesiswp/ http://jane.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/thesiswp/
- j_baker 15y agoAm I the only one who noticed that Custer claimed he wouldn't fight Universal in the press... in a statement released to the press including his arguments as to why Universal is wrong? I'm willing to support just about anyone who is taking on the record labels, but don't claim you won't fight Universal in the press right after doing so and scolding your opponents for doing so as well. That's just hypocritical.