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> It is a failure. It's not a failure.

by slater 4y ago

rvz 4y ago
It is a failure as I have already explained.
- slater 4y ago
  Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing. But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure, as others in this post have hinted at
  - rvz 4y ago
    > Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing. Except mine isn't an 'opinion' and is based on Mastodon's own statistics in daily active user numbers, registered users, user behaviour and the claims, and comparisons made at the time when it already launched and was pitched as a Twitter alternative, especially on HN. [0] [1] Fast forward 6 years later, 94% of people registered are still not using it. That is virtually no-one, other than the tiny tech circles that even still need to post on Twitter since there is still little to no-one on Mastodon. That is a fact; not an opinion. > But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure It is a failure and I have repeatedly shown that the numbers don't lie after 6 years of operation. If it is not a failure, then what I am seeing here is the complete denial of this failure. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987
    - betwixthewires 4y ago
      It is absolutely an opinion. Your metrics are right, but "it's a failure" is absolutely an opinion. It's your opinion, based on what you place value on. Mastodon is not a failure to the 200k people that use it, it's a success to them. Thats their opinion, because they value different things than you. "194k people use it, that's more than the populations of 20 sovereign nations! That's a success" has correct metrics, as correct as yours, but using that to call it a success is an opinion. Just like your statement is an opinion.
      - slater 4y ago
        I just don't get OP's "years have passed, only a few hundred thousand ppl use it daily, therefor it's an abject failure" stance. Not everything has to be used daily by a million+ people to be considered a success.

> It is a failure. It's not a failure.

by slater 4y ago

> It is a failure. It's not a failure.

rvz 4y ago

It is a failure as I have already explained.

slater 4y ago
Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing. But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure, as others in this post have hinted at
- rvz 4y ago
  > Sorry, I thought we were doing the "my opinion is the rightest, because i said so!" thing. Except mine isn't an 'opinion' and is based on Mastodon's own statistics in daily active user numbers, registered users, user behaviour and the claims, and comparisons made at the time when it already launched and was pitched as a Twitter alternative, especially on HN. [0] [1] Fast forward 6 years later, 94% of people registered are still not using it. That is virtually no-one, other than the tiny tech circles that even still need to post on Twitter since there is still little to no-one on Mastodon. That is a fact; not an opinion. > But no, it's not a failure. "low user numbers" does not automagically mean something is a failure It is a failure and I have repeatedly shown that the numbers don't lie after 6 years of operation. If it is not a failure, then what I am seeing here is the complete denial of this failure. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17788060 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15514987
  - betwixthewires 4y ago
    It is absolutely an opinion. Your metrics are right, but "it's a failure" is absolutely an opinion. It's your opinion, based on what you place value on. Mastodon is not a failure to the 200k people that use it, it's a success to them. Thats their opinion, because they value different things than you. "194k people use it, that's more than the populations of 20 sovereign nations! That's a success" has correct metrics, as correct as yours, but using that to call it a success is an opinion. Just like your statement is an opinion.
    - slater 4y ago
      I just don't get OP's "years have passed, only a few hundred thousand ppl use it daily, therefor it's an abject failure" stance. Not everything has to be used daily by a million+ people to be considered a success.