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I can absolutely see this position, for me it’s more a case of protecting ourselves against the rare but increasing occasions of candidates actually making misl

I can absolutely see this position, for me it’s more a case of protecting ourselves against the rare but increasing occasions of candidates actually making misleading claims. As I’ve said in a sibling comment, for me I like to be able to take basic skills at face value, and focus on core competencies. If someone can learn the skill during probation, that’s totally fine.

HomeDeLaPot 4y ago
To me it seems simpler to just let someone go if they're not working out after 90 days; no need to tell every new hire that they're "on probation".
- cgio 4y ago
  To be fair to the original poster, in Australia, whether you tell every new hire or not, they are still on probation legally in terms of employer obligations, so it is good to tell if you want to establish clarity, and follow appropriate procedures in terms of setting goals and keeping them up to date as end of probation nears to avoid vagueness and stress. Depending on size of hiring organisation, probation is 6 months for big organisations and 12 months for smaller ones.
  - freddie_mercury 4y ago
    Yeah clearly there are a ton of Americans responding to that point. It is funny they don't want to call it "probation" because Australian probation is just every job in America.
- warriormonk5 4y ago
  Probation is a legal term that has implications like you can let someone go for no reason. Most places don't have zero worker rights like the US does.
  - ReptileMan 4y ago
    Where I live there is almost always 30-180 days probation period and then the contract turns into permanent. Usually not a big deal.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Leaving a fulltime position becomes a gamble.
      - dinom 4y ago
        It's always a gamble to some degree.
        ipaddr 4y ago
        Not when you are not working.
      - ReptileMan 4y ago
        Usually during this period you can also leave at will. I think it is in law that the contract should be symmetrical for both sides. The system seems to be working ok-ish.
      - Ekaros 4y ago
        And that is why you actually need a decent reason to leave. Be it money, seemingly better culture or more interesting work.
- PebblesHD 4y ago
  In our case, we try and be very upfront about the nature of the process and that it works both ways, i.e. if they find the workplace isn’t for them, then theres no hard feelings either. It’s part of Australian workplace law so whether we mention it or not it is going to apply, so we make sure its not something hidden that might surprise someone. In our case, we do also explain the types of circumstance in which we might use such a clause, and for us those are very narrow, we don’t hire people just to let them go for nothing 6 months later.

HomeDeLaPot 4y ago

To me it seems simpler to just let someone go if they're not working out after 90 days; no need to tell every new hire that they're "on probation".

cgio 4y ago
To be fair to the original poster, in Australia, whether you tell every new hire or not, they are still on probation legally in terms of employer obligations, so it is good to tell if you want to establish clarity, and follow appropriate procedures in terms of setting goals and keeping them up to date as end of probation nears to avoid vagueness and stress. Depending on size of hiring organisation, probation is 6 months for big organisations and 12 months for smaller ones.
- freddie_mercury 4y ago
  Yeah clearly there are a ton of Americans responding to that point. It is funny they don't want to call it "probation" because Australian probation is just every job in America.
warriormonk5 4y ago
Probation is a legal term that has implications like you can let someone go for no reason. Most places don't have zero worker rights like the US does.
- ReptileMan 4y ago
  Where I live there is almost always 30-180 days probation period and then the contract turns into permanent. Usually not a big deal.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Leaving a fulltime position becomes a gamble.
    - dinom 4y ago
      It's always a gamble to some degree.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        Not when you are not working.
    - ReptileMan 4y ago
      Usually during this period you can also leave at will. I think it is in law that the contract should be symmetrical for both sides. The system seems to be working ok-ish.
    - Ekaros 4y ago
      And that is why you actually need a decent reason to leave. Be it money, seemingly better culture or more interesting work.
PebblesHD 4y ago
In our case, we try and be very upfront about the nature of the process and that it works both ways, i.e. if they find the workplace isn’t for them, then theres no hard feelings either. It’s part of Australian workplace law so whether we mention it or not it is going to apply, so we make sure its not something hidden that might surprise someone. In our case, we do also explain the types of circumstance in which we might use such a clause, and for us those are very narrow, we don’t hire people just to let them go for nothing 6 months later.