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The vast majority of people who are smart enough and have the work ethic to finish an EE degree are also smart enough to become a FANG engineer. EE is harder t

by novok 4y ago

The vast majority of people who are smart enough and have the work ethic to finish an EE degree are also smart enough to become a FANG engineer. EE is harder than computer science by far. So for the set of people who can be fab engineers, live in the USA and speak English, yes, the FANG engineer option is always there.

sdvsa 4y ago
As an EE I can assure you that’s not true. Also, many jobs at a fab don’t require a bachelors. Often they will want a relevant associate degree though. Here’s an example: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/HRL-Laboratories/Job/Wafer-Process-Technician-III/-in-Malibu,CA?jid=5e91f28fe990850f&lvk=p9Nokmz6C9pjgStb8byMQg.--MbjHm-HOg https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/HRL-Laboratories/Job/Wafer-Pr...
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  That's not really the jobs that are most problematic. As the video mentions, Intel fixed this issue for them by setting up training pipelines from community colleges for these jobs. The issue is moreso for the positions requiring more advanced education.
Spooky23 4y ago
Yes, but if you didn’t go to the handful of acceptable schools, it doesn’t matter much how smart you are.
- leetcrew 4y ago
  this may have been true at some point in the past, but it certainly isn't now. most of the engineers I work with have degrees from schools I had never heard of before meeting them. my team just hired a new grad that didn't even have any internships in school. it's not hard to get an interview at FAANGs these days. the difficult (or "luck-required") part is actually giving good solutions to four out of five algo problems, each in 45 minutes.
- fathrowaway12 4y ago
  They interview people from everywhere. Literally everywhere. They basically have tapped the whole market worth of talent. You might not get an interview at any given company in a particular year, but you should be able to get some interviews over a couple years if you have decent GPA or work experience. You probably won't be placed on a top-notch team, but you'll get in.
sudosysgen 4y ago
EE isn't necessarily harder than CS, it just really depends on the school. CS degrees are extremely variable while engineering degrees are much less so. I agree with the rest of your argument though.
- novok 4y ago
  In my school in Canada it had one extra class per semester and I think took 5 years. It was known as a place where you didn't have a life and you were buried in coursework and not really expected to get great grades because of the workload. I remember a professor sympathetically talking about how little clusters of people just split up the homework load together like it was a team project from random classes and then tell each other how to solve it to each other to save time. CS was just another science degree in comparison.

by novok 4y ago

sdvsa 4y ago

As an EE I can assure you that’s not true. Also, many jobs at a fab don’t require a bachelors. Often they will want a relevant associate degree though. Here’s an example: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/HRL-Laboratories/Job/Wafer-Process-Technician-III/-in-Malibu,CA?jid=5e91f28fe990850f&lvk=p9Nokmz6C9pjgStb8byMQg.--MbjHm-HOg https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/HRL-Laboratories/Job/Wafer-Pr...

sudosysgen 4y ago
That's not really the jobs that are most problematic. As the video mentions, Intel fixed this issue for them by setting up training pipelines from community colleges for these jobs. The issue is moreso for the positions requiring more advanced education.

Spooky23 4y ago

Yes, but if you didn’t go to the handful of acceptable schools, it doesn’t matter much how smart you are.

leetcrew 4y ago
this may have been true at some point in the past, but it certainly isn't now. most of the engineers I work with have degrees from schools I had never heard of before meeting them. my team just hired a new grad that didn't even have any internships in school. it's not hard to get an interview at FAANGs these days. the difficult (or "luck-required") part is actually giving good solutions to four out of five algo problems, each in 45 minutes.
fathrowaway12 4y ago
They interview people from everywhere. Literally everywhere. They basically have tapped the whole market worth of talent. You might not get an interview at any given company in a particular year, but you should be able to get some interviews over a couple years if you have decent GPA or work experience. You probably won't be placed on a top-notch team, but you'll get in.

sudosysgen 4y ago

EE isn't necessarily harder than CS, it just really depends on the school. CS degrees are extremely variable while engineering degrees are much less so. I agree with the rest of your argument though.

novok 4y ago
In my school in Canada it had one extra class per semester and I think took 5 years. It was known as a place where you didn't have a life and you were buried in coursework and not really expected to get great grades because of the workload. I remember a professor sympathetically talking about how little clusters of people just split up the homework load together like it was a team project from random classes and then tell each other how to solve it to each other to save time. CS was just another science degree in comparison.