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The last people I want working as my nurse or my kids teacher is someone who is entitled to their job regardless of their performance.

mrguyorama 4y ago
It's almost like you have a very colored opinion of what unions do. Consider where you get the information about unions. Unions are why when my mother got her job, she was given a paper that showed her most likely pay scale for the next 10 years. Unions are how my mother had excellent health care to take her children to the doctors, despite making just over poverty wages. Unions were there to help her when a student (a fellow student of mine, in my own class, indeed my mother taught me a few times) made baseless and false claims of sexual assault. Unions were there when nurses were being put in harms in an attempt to force nurses to bear the brunt of covid issues. Unions are there when management says "you should be expected to do X" when X is laughably beyond average expectations and also what was in your contract when you signed it. Unions could have stopped my company from requiring unpaid overtime as "prod support" for our products. Unions could have prevented my work contract from being one sentence that's as vague as possible. Unions could have prevented my company from cutting everyone's pay by 20% during covid despite business being up 100% because we do e-commerce.
- macinjosh 4y ago
  My view is no more colored than yours apparently.
com2kid 4y ago
> The last people I want working as my nurse or my kids teacher is someone who is entitled to their job regardless of their performance. And the last person I want working as my nurse is someone who got the job because they are good at boot licking and the previous nurse who cared about patient safety was fired for "being a trouble maker" when they complained about poor quality of patient care. Or how about a nurse who is overworked because there isn't a union around to see that they get breaks? Or how about a nurse who is stressed because they can't pay their bills? Without nurses unions, quality of care plummets. Or to put it another way, people become nurses because they want to help others. People become hospital administrators to make money. Without nursing unions, the hospital administrators are the ones determining what quality of care you will get.

mrguyorama 4y ago

It's almost like you have a very colored opinion of what unions do. Consider where you get the information about unions. Unions are why when my mother got her job, she was given a paper that showed her most likely pay scale for the next 10 years. Unions are how my mother had excellent health care to take her children to the doctors, despite making just over poverty wages. Unions were there to help her when a student (a fellow student of mine, in my own class, indeed my mother taught me a few times) made baseless and false claims of sexual assault. Unions were there when nurses were being put in harms in an attempt to force nurses to bear the brunt of covid issues. Unions are there when management says "you should be expected to do X" when X is laughably beyond average expectations and also what was in your contract when you signed it. Unions could have stopped my company from requiring unpaid overtime as "prod support" for our products. Unions could have prevented my work contract from being one sentence that's as vague as possible. Unions could have prevented my company from cutting everyone's pay by 20% during covid despite business being up 100% because we do e-commerce.

macinjosh 4y ago
My view is no more colored than yours apparently.

com2kid 4y ago

> The last people I want working as my nurse or my kids teacher is someone who is entitled to their job regardless of their performance. And the last person I want working as my nurse is someone who got the job because they are good at boot licking and the previous nurse who cared about patient safety was fired for "being a trouble maker" when they complained about poor quality of patient care. Or how about a nurse who is overworked because there isn't a union around to see that they get breaks? Or how about a nurse who is stressed because they can't pay their bills? Without nurses unions, quality of care plummets. Or to put it another way, people become nurses because they want to help others. People become hospital administrators to make money. Without nursing unions, the hospital administrators are the ones determining what quality of care you will get.