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> Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors? I don't know that I'd say that, like I who t

> Remember when France paid even more in 1815 and 1871 and didn't went on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors? I don't know that I'd say that, like I who to blame for WWI is a very contentious subject and ultimately I'd say that the blame does rest on the German leaders, including the Kasier and German General Staff, but to pretend France has no culpability is a little disingenuous. I'd say that WWI was pretty much every European country going on a genocidal rampage on their neighbors, just because the French weren't very effective at keeping it on their neighbors soil doesn't mean they aren't responsible.

mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
the germans are absolutely not responsible for ww1 at all, it was a war between austria-hungary and serbia that russia entered into. it was a chain reaction of treaties. the only one germany 100% caused unneeded trouble for was belgium. As for both world wars, france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Furthermore france actually did go on a genocidal bent right after ww2 in algeria, and even place nazi collaborators in charge of this algerian genocide! the allies are a lot less clean than we pretend. We can acknowledge the nazis were evil without simultaneously over-demonizing the german empire and over-praising the allies. ww1 was a war caused by treaties and hubris ww2 was a war caused by angry people electing a maniac
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  What?? > france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. "she was asking for it" Going to say that about Ukraine, too? Germany started an invasion of another country. Austria-Hungary only invaded Serbia because of German support. 'Historian Joachim Remak says: The nation that...can still be held least responsible for the outbreak of the war is France. This is so even if we bear in mind all the revisions of historical judgments, and all the revisions of these revisions, to which we have now been treated....The French, in 1914, entered the war because they had no alternative. The Germans had attacked them. History can be very simple at times.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_entry_into_World_War_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_entry_into_World_War_I
- twixfel 4y ago
  Germany caused both world wars. Germany explicitly gave AH a blank cheque to invade Serbia, knowing that this would draw Russia and France into the war. They wanted a war with Russia then because they knew Russia was rearming.
- shakow 4y ago
  > france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Ah yes, France pushing Germany to fight by... getting declared war on in 1914, and flashing that lewd Danzig in 1939. Poor Germany, how could she resist.
- albertop 4y ago
  > ww2 was a war caused by angry people electing a maniac In Germany?

mrcheesebreeze 4y ago

the germans are absolutely not responsible for ww1 at all, it was a war between austria-hungary and serbia that russia entered into. it was a chain reaction of treaties. the only one germany 100% caused unneeded trouble for was belgium. As for both world wars, france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Furthermore france actually did go on a genocidal bent right after ww2 in algeria, and even place nazi collaborators in charge of this algerian genocide! the allies are a lot less clean than we pretend. We can acknowledge the nazis were evil without simultaneously over-demonizing the german empire and over-praising the allies. ww1 was a war caused by treaties and hubris ww2 was a war caused by angry people electing a maniac

throwaway_4ever 4y ago
What?? > france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. "she was asking for it" Going to say that about Ukraine, too? Germany started an invasion of another country. Austria-Hungary only invaded Serbia because of German support. 'Historian Joachim Remak says: The nation that...can still be held least responsible for the outbreak of the war is France. This is so even if we bear in mind all the revisions of historical judgments, and all the revisions of these revisions, to which we have now been treated....The French, in 1914, entered the war because they had no alternative. The Germans had attacked them. History can be very simple at times.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_entry_into_World_War_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_entry_into_World_War_I
twixfel 4y ago
Germany caused both world wars. Germany explicitly gave AH a blank cheque to invade Serbia, knowing that this would draw Russia and France into the war. They wanted a war with Russia then because they knew Russia was rearming.
shakow 4y ago
> france has a habit of pushing germany to fight because they get to arrogant. Ah yes, France pushing Germany to fight by... getting declared war on in 1914, and flashing that lewd Danzig in 1939. Poor Germany, how could she resist.
albertop 4y ago
> ww2 was a war caused by angry people electing a maniac In Germany?