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This particular one? I doubt, but there are theories in major newspapers (Polityka, Gazeta Wyborcza, Newsweek) that Antoni Macierewicz (former defence minister,

This particular one? I doubt, but there are theories in major newspapers (Polityka, Gazeta Wyborcza, Newsweek) that Antoni Macierewicz (former defence minister, a major PiS politician) is a Russian agent or otherwise connected with Russia, as such connections pop up all around his circle of friends.

myth_drannon 4y ago
The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  So people still trust any information? Personally I've lost mine ages ago. There is no way to discern truth from propaganda without investing an unsustainable amount of time researching. The internet ceased to be a source of truth when the people with motive realized that the populous get their information from it. It's fine for technical learning and easily proven facts, but any political information or any with significant economical impact should be considered propaganda, as for every person that actually knows anything about the topic there will be 10 that are paid to spread some agenda
  - myth_drannon 4y ago
    I lost trust too. Disinformation won.
  - soco 4y ago
    I guess looking at the persons/parties spreading a certain kind of information/policies could help a bit clarify their goals and assess their trustworthiness. "Follow the money" is a classic already.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      That's a applaudable goal wrt checking a specific policy. It's also entirely unsustainable as this takes hours at the very least for even a casual verification, days and weeks for anything more throughout.
  - baq 4y ago
    this is how the FSB wins. after the smart people stop trusting to the point of not caring at all, the easily manipulated masses get fed whatever the FSB needs at the moment.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent. Is it Russia or is it Russia?
  - dylan604 4y ago
    well, yes, but the how matters. either russia is running a major disinformation campaign which requires a certain level of skillset OR russia is running an agent within the foreign gov't. that's what's being asked, not "is it russia"?

myth_drannon 4y ago

The point of disinformation is not to out someone but to destroy trust in all information. So you actually can't decide is it a truth or not, is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent.

411111111111111 4y ago
So people still trust any information? Personally I've lost mine ages ago. There is no way to discern truth from propaganda without investing an unsustainable amount of time researching. The internet ceased to be a source of truth when the people with motive realized that the populous get their information from it. It's fine for technical learning and easily proven facts, but any political information or any with significant economical impact should be considered propaganda, as for every person that actually knows anything about the topic there will be 10 that are paid to spread some agenda
- myth_drannon 4y ago
  I lost trust too. Disinformation won.
- soco 4y ago
  I guess looking at the persons/parties spreading a certain kind of information/policies could help a bit clarify their goals and assess their trustworthiness. "Follow the money" is a classic already.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    That's a applaudable goal wrt checking a specific policy. It's also entirely unsustainable as this takes hours at the very least for even a casual verification, days and weeks for anything more throughout.
- baq 4y ago
  this is how the FSB wins. after the smart people stop trusting to the point of not caring at all, the easily manipulated masses get fed whatever the FSB needs at the moment.
pessimizer 4y ago
> is it Russia that is trying to saw discord or is he truly a Russian agent. Is it Russia or is it Russia?
- dylan604 4y ago
  well, yes, but the how matters. either russia is running a major disinformation campaign which requires a certain level of skillset OR russia is running an agent within the foreign gov't. that's what's being asked, not "is it russia"?