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From the ACLU: "a reason to decline taking a free-speech case “the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others

From the ACLU: "a reason to decline taking a free-speech case “the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values." In selecting speech cases to defend, the ACLU will now balance the “impact of the proposed speech and the impact of its suppression.” Factors like the potential effect of the speech on “marginalized communities” and even on “the ACLU’s credibility” could militate against taking a case." [1] [2] [1] https://www.axios.com/2018/06/21/aclu-leaked-memo-free-speech-civil-rights https://www.axios.com/2018/06/21/aclu-leaked-memo-free-speec... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-expression-1529533065 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-exp... Your list looks impressive. But what cases did they choose to not accept that aren't listed there?

UIUC_06 4y ago
Correct. "Our values" used to mean "civil liberties." That's what the "CL" in the name means. Now it apparently means "subscribes to currently trendy theories of social justice."
mrtesthah 4y ago
And yet you still haven’t provided any cases this organization has pursued that would further non-right-wong causes. Here we compare sizable number of cases to… zero.
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  I never said this organization is neutral. Merely that if you criticize this organization you should also criticize the ACLU for the same lack of neutrality.
int_19h 4y ago
It's well-known that ACLU has changed its freedom of speech stance recently, which greatly disappointed many long-standing members, and definitely had a negative effect on its reputation. However, that was a very specific and rather recent change. ACLU before that change can still be seen as a model organization that threw its weight behind causes regardless of whether they were "left wing" or "right wing", so long as one of its principles were affected.

UIUC_06 4y ago

Correct. "Our values" used to mean "civil liberties." That's what the "CL" in the name means. Now it apparently means "subscribes to currently trendy theories of social justice."

mrtesthah 4y ago

And yet you still haven’t provided any cases this organization has pursued that would further non-right-wong causes. Here we compare sizable number of cases to… zero.

ceeplusplus 4y ago
I never said this organization is neutral. Merely that if you criticize this organization you should also criticize the ACLU for the same lack of neutrality.

int_19h 4y ago

It's well-known that ACLU has changed its freedom of speech stance recently, which greatly disappointed many long-standing members, and definitely had a negative effect on its reputation. However, that was a very specific and rather recent change. ACLU before that change can still be seen as a model organization that threw its weight behind causes regardless of whether they were "left wing" or "right wing", so long as one of its principles were affected.