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Any sufficiently well evolved AI would develop the self respect to leave it to us humans. Have you ever done renovation plumbing?

verdverm 4y ago
AI does not need self awareness to be used as out tool. What is so hard about plumbing that a machine (hardware+software) cannot be developed to do it?
- metadat 4y ago
  Clearly you've never done any serious plumbing job. It seems simple in my mind, but going to do any of it in real life quickly gets quite complicated: * Any tiny leak of liquid or gas is a huge problem and liability, thousands of units of resources (water or whatever) can be wasted and also cause property damage or kill people (gas leaks) * Figuring out and sourcing the right fittings and BoM can be challenging * It's fundamentally a messy business, mixing primer and glue, digging trenches, hard to reach spaces, encountering other unknown pipes or obstacles and needing to figure out head scratchers like "well how important is this unmarked X in the way of where I need to route" * Lots of jobs involve retrofitting the future thing into existing (old, or even very old) structures where everything is variable from one case to the next In many ways, programming is a lot easier since the complexity is in your head and not a physical problem. In general I love DIY and do it for a lot of things, but when it comes to plumbing the lessons I've learned are 1.) when possible, leave it alone and not mess with it, and 2.) Otherwise bite the bullet and hire a professional.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    So what if it's hard. That's very different from impossible. If humans can do it, why do you think a machine will never be able for the rest of time? Some of those things sound like something a machine will become much better at than a human ever could.
    - metadat 4y ago
      Sure, maybe someday.

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Any sufficiently well evolved AI would develop the self respect to leave it to us humans. Have you ever done renovation plumbing?

by peteradio 4y ago

verdverm 4y ago
AI does not need self awareness to be used as out tool. What is so hard about plumbing that a machine (hardware+software) cannot be developed to do it?
- metadat 4y ago
  Clearly you've never done any serious plumbing job. It seems simple in my mind, but going to do any of it in real life quickly gets quite complicated: * Any tiny leak of liquid or gas is a huge problem and liability, thousands of units of resources (water or whatever) can be wasted and also cause property damage or kill people (gas leaks) * Figuring out and sourcing the right fittings and BoM can be challenging * It's fundamentally a messy business, mixing primer and glue, digging trenches, hard to reach spaces, encountering other unknown pipes or obstacles and needing to figure out head scratchers like "well how important is this unmarked X in the way of where I need to route" * Lots of jobs involve retrofitting the future thing into existing (old, or even very old) structures where everything is variable from one case to the next In many ways, programming is a lot easier since the complexity is in your head and not a physical problem. In general I love DIY and do it for a lot of things, but when it comes to plumbing the lessons I've learned are 1.) when possible, leave it alone and not mess with it, and 2.) Otherwise bite the bullet and hire a professional.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    So what if it's hard. That's very different from impossible. If humans can do it, why do you think a machine will never be able for the rest of time? Some of those things sound like something a machine will become much better at than a human ever could.
    - metadat 4y ago
      Sure, maybe someday.