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>Android you’re actually increasing your chances of false imprisonment. That used to be true until apple implemented CSAM a black box that scans for hashes of

>Android you’re actually increasing your chances of false imprisonment. That used to be true until apple implemented CSAM a black box that scans for hashes of straight to federal prison files. Without your consent or any way to audit it. No oversight. Yeah I know its not 100% implemented yet but that is just a matter of time.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> until apple implemented CSAM a black box that scans for hashes of straight to federal prison files Of photos uploaded to iCloud. That's a far cry from persistent surveillance.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Correct. The persistent surveillance comes in the form of PRISM compliance and covert warrants that we, the general public, don't get to see. You'd have to be crazy to think the most popular American phone is free from government surveillance.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > persistent surveillance comes in the form of PRISM compliance and covert warrants You've moved the goalposts. We're talking about warrantless surveillance. FISA courts are flawed. But they're subject to investigation, deliberation and reform in a way police buying commercial data is not. (The warrant process is first and foremost a gate. When it fails at that, as it appears to have with FISC, it serves as a judicial record.)
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      The warrant is a pretty bad gate. Apple complies with 90% of the requests they get from American law enforcement for account access (and a startling 95% of device access requests by the CCP (!!!)), so I don't really buy the idea that they're valiantly protecting my identity tooth-and-nail. Moreover, I agree that these are two different arenas, but I don't see what the difference is. Apple cares about privacy sometimes, but the fact that they don't care about it all the time leads me to not trust them. If we're going to demand user privacy, we need to do it properly. Apple has zero accountability, so they have zero incentive to not sabotage your privacy.
- erdos4d 4y ago
  Wait til they add the hashes of the next set of leaks to this. We all know that's coming. The next Snowden is going to have it harder.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  The default setting on iOS is to immediately upload every new image (photo or screenshot saved to the camera roll) to iCloud. Screenshots default to saving to the camera roll (and contain quite a bit of auxiliary data, btw). On the web, the default and sometimes only way to save an image is to add it to the camera roll.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> until apple implemented CSAM a black box that scans for hashes of straight to federal prison files Of photos uploaded to iCloud. That's a far cry from persistent surveillance.

smoldesu 4y ago
Correct. The persistent surveillance comes in the form of PRISM compliance and covert warrants that we, the general public, don't get to see. You'd have to be crazy to think the most popular American phone is free from government surveillance.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > persistent surveillance comes in the form of PRISM compliance and covert warrants You've moved the goalposts. We're talking about warrantless surveillance. FISA courts are flawed. But they're subject to investigation, deliberation and reform in a way police buying commercial data is not. (The warrant process is first and foremost a gate. When it fails at that, as it appears to have with FISC, it serves as a judicial record.)
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    The warrant is a pretty bad gate. Apple complies with 90% of the requests they get from American law enforcement for account access (and a startling 95% of device access requests by the CCP (!!!)), so I don't really buy the idea that they're valiantly protecting my identity tooth-and-nail. Moreover, I agree that these are two different arenas, but I don't see what the difference is. Apple cares about privacy sometimes, but the fact that they don't care about it all the time leads me to not trust them. If we're going to demand user privacy, we need to do it properly. Apple has zero accountability, so they have zero incentive to not sabotage your privacy.
erdos4d 4y ago
Wait til they add the hashes of the next set of leaks to this. We all know that's coming. The next Snowden is going to have it harder.
TechBro8615 4y ago
The default setting on iOS is to immediately upload every new image (photo or screenshot saved to the camera roll) to iCloud. Screenshots default to saving to the camera roll (and contain quite a bit of auxiliary data, btw). On the web, the default and sometimes only way to save an image is to add it to the camera roll.