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Intel details 12th Gen Core SoCs optimized for edge applications

25 points by LinuxBender 4y ago

skhameneh 4y ago
> optimized for edge and IoT applications These seem very oddly placed in the market, not quite on par with other power sipping options. Not quite powerful enough for datacenters. Overkill for low profile. These may be a good fit for mid-range industrial boards, not sure. They don't seem to align well with what's stated as the target market IMO.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Indeed, it is quite difficult to see how this makes sense "on the edge" compared to Atom P, which offers more cores, draws less power, has ECC, and is more highly integrated, offering a real SoC solution with integrated NICs.
MrWiffles 4y ago
What the hell does "edge" even mean here? Edge of what?
- gruez 4y ago
  >Intel said the new SoCs are aimed at a broad range of industries, including point-of-sale kit in the retail, banking, and hospitality sectors, industrial PCs and controllers for the manufacturing industry, plus healthcare. ®
  - Const-me 4y ago
    I wonder why doesn't that stuff run some ARM-based Linux? Do they actually need a CPU as fast as that Adler Lake? I have made embedded software for industrial equipment with mid-range ARM SoCs, things went rather well. I would probably do it again should I want to make kiosk software or similar.
- mecsred 4y ago
  It's a pretty fluid term depending on who you're talking to, and it's mostly a buzzword in marketing. Most people I know use it as "edge of the network", as in something likely running off solar and cellular out on site with a limited uplink. The general idea behind the term being you move computing resources out to distributed systems and read back processed information rather than sending all the raw data to a central service first.
  - MrWiffles 4y ago
    Thank you! This was useful.
gorkish 4y ago
IMO the only thing holding back "edge" devices are the minimally sufficient network interfaces. Except for a couple of Mini-ITX based solutions, It's dang near impossible to get anything with >1gbe in any kind of SFF. Please will someone start building 1L form factor with dual 1/2.5/5/10gbe already?
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Really? I’ve seen everything from Mac minis to NUCs to SBCs adopt >1gbps interfaces. Everything is starting to fall into place for 2.5gbps, we are going to eventually throttle WAP bandwidth, disk is faster than 1gbps now that we’ve moved to NVMe, WAN connections >1gbps are increasingly widespread, 2.5gbps gear is getting inexpensive, we can run the bandwidth on copper. The availability of these units has been awful with the chip shortage but they are seeing pretty substantial production in my estimation.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Yeah the NUC 11 and 12 come with 2.5gbe. 10gbe is still an expensive option for most. Thunderbolt fills the niche for some, since it can form point-to-point networks at respectable speeds, > 10gbps without much hassle.

25 points by LinuxBender 4y ago

> optimized for edge and IoT applications These seem very oddly placed in the market, not quite on par with other power sipping options. Not quite powerful enough for datacenters. Overkill for low profile. These may be a good fit for mid-range industrial boards, not sure. They don't seem to align well with what's stated as the target market IMO.

jeffbee 4y ago
Indeed, it is quite difficult to see how this makes sense "on the edge" compared to Atom P, which offers more cores, draws less power, has ECC, and is more highly integrated, offering a real SoC solution with integrated NICs.

MrWiffles 4y ago

What the hell does "edge" even mean here? Edge of what?

gruez 4y ago
>Intel said the new SoCs are aimed at a broad range of industries, including point-of-sale kit in the retail, banking, and hospitality sectors, industrial PCs and controllers for the manufacturing industry, plus healthcare. ®
- Const-me 4y ago
  I wonder why doesn't that stuff run some ARM-based Linux? Do they actually need a CPU as fast as that Adler Lake? I have made embedded software for industrial equipment with mid-range ARM SoCs, things went rather well. I would probably do it again should I want to make kiosk software or similar.
mecsred 4y ago
It's a pretty fluid term depending on who you're talking to, and it's mostly a buzzword in marketing. Most people I know use it as "edge of the network", as in something likely running off solar and cellular out on site with a limited uplink. The general idea behind the term being you move computing resources out to distributed systems and read back processed information rather than sending all the raw data to a central service first.
- MrWiffles 4y ago
  Thank you! This was useful.

gorkish 4y ago

IMO the only thing holding back "edge" devices are the minimally sufficient network interfaces. Except for a couple of Mini-ITX based solutions, It's dang near impossible to get anything with >1gbe in any kind of SFF. Please will someone start building 1L form factor with dual 1/2.5/5/10gbe already?

faeriechangling 4y ago
Really? I’ve seen everything from Mac minis to NUCs to SBCs adopt >1gbps interfaces. Everything is starting to fall into place for 2.5gbps, we are going to eventually throttle WAP bandwidth, disk is faster than 1gbps now that we’ve moved to NVMe, WAN connections >1gbps are increasingly widespread, 2.5gbps gear is getting inexpensive, we can run the bandwidth on copper. The availability of these units has been awful with the chip shortage but they are seeing pretty substantial production in my estimation.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Yeah the NUC 11 and 12 come with 2.5gbe. 10gbe is still an expensive option for most. Thunderbolt fills the niche for some, since it can form point-to-point networks at respectable speeds, > 10gbps without much hassle.