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Ask HN: What are the jobs /roles/talents,that AI can't ever replace?

1 points by sanroot99 4y ago

One I can think of is ' human beatboxing' (This will require whole artificial human) ,I need more examples .

PaulHoule 4y ago
How about instruction in skills like martial arts, riding horses, etc.?
- motohagiography 4y ago
  Have thought about this as well. Both martial arts and riding horses are relating to another being directly as an expression of intent. That said, for animals, it could be as simple as an interface to a pleasure centre and actuating it according to the needs of the controller. Punishment with animals, as other species, doesn't work as well because it lacks information about your intent, and presumes the animal has understood the intent it is being punished for. Negative reinforcement works in only very limited and immediate circumstances where it's designed to set a memory - but you don't get much influence in the memory you are setting with it, you just get pain and an association of their own experiencing. In the case of an electric fence, you don't care, you just want them to respect fences (though I work with a stallion who balks at fences now because he was in a paddock with electric fences to keep him from knocking them down), but if you wanted to put electrodes on their body to send them in directions, you would need a neuro-feedback reward mechanism. In the case of training dogs and horses, that feedback mechanism is the emotional approval and praise, which builds rapport and a way of relating. In all but actively malicious situations, even most people don't understand what they are being punished for, let alone animals, and it's a neutralizing mechanism. Using ML/AI for stimulus/response training seems like a risk for a lot of cruelty to train the model, and even where it uses rewards, the deprivation and dependency becomes a kind of cruelty as well. I don't know there is an ethical way to do this.
- groffee 4y ago
  Why would you need instructors when you can simply download the skill into your brain and become an expert in a few seconds?
- verdverm 4y ago
  Once we have sophisticated enough humanoid robots, these would be teachable by ai
peteradio 4y ago
Plumbing.
- verdverm 4y ago
  Why is this something you think AI cannot do ever? What is too difficult about plumbing?
  - peteradio 4y ago
    Any sufficiently well evolved AI would develop the self respect to leave it to us humans. Have you ever done renovation plumbing?
    - verdverm 4y ago
      AI does not need self awareness to be used as out tool. What is so hard about plumbing that a machine (hardware+software) cannot be developed to do it?
      - metadat 4y ago
        Clearly you've never done any serious plumbing job. It seems simple in my mind, but going to do any of it in real life quickly gets quite complicated: * Any tiny leak of liquid or gas is a huge problem and liability, thousands of units of resources (water or whatever) can be wasted and also cause property damage or kill people (gas leaks) * Figuring out and sourcing the right fittings and BoM can be challenging * It's fundamentally a messy business, mixing primer and glue, digging trenches, hard to reach spaces, encountering other unknown pipes or obstacles and needing to figure out head scratchers like "well how important is this unmarked X in the way of where I need to route" * Lots of jobs involve retrofitting the future thing into existing (old, or even very old) structures where everything is variable from one case to the next In many ways, programming is a lot easier since the complexity is in your head and not a physical problem. In general I love DIY and do it for a lot of things, but when it comes to plumbing the lessons I've learned are 1.) when possible, leave it alone and not mess with it, and 2.) Otherwise bite the bullet and hire a professional.
bell-cot 4y ago
Anything requiring physical presence/action, since you said "AI", not "AI plus robotics". For anything in the top ~1% of the human social ladder - you can count on the politicians, plutocrats, etc. who make the rules in human society being extremely reluctant to allow AI's to start replacing their own kind. Your "can't ever" is too ambiguous. If "ever" allows thousands of years, then it's purely a philosophical/linguistic question. If you're mostly interested in credible threats to your own career, then it's more a technology/society question.
- sanroot99 4y ago
  It might happen that some automation problem might come under undecidablity , aka halting problem ,or some problems are so difficult that it requires immense computation ,for eg many simulations in fluid dynamics and cosmos .
JoeAltmaier 4y ago
Prostitution? As mentioned, anything requiring physical presence.

1 points by sanroot99 4y ago

One I can think of is ' human beatboxing' (This will require whole artificial human) ,I need more examples .

PaulHoule 4y ago

How about instruction in skills like martial arts, riding horses, etc.?

motohagiography 4y ago
Have thought about this as well. Both martial arts and riding horses are relating to another being directly as an expression of intent. That said, for animals, it could be as simple as an interface to a pleasure centre and actuating it according to the needs of the controller. Punishment with animals, as other species, doesn't work as well because it lacks information about your intent, and presumes the animal has understood the intent it is being punished for. Negative reinforcement works in only very limited and immediate circumstances where it's designed to set a memory - but you don't get much influence in the memory you are setting with it, you just get pain and an association of their own experiencing. In the case of an electric fence, you don't care, you just want them to respect fences (though I work with a stallion who balks at fences now because he was in a paddock with electric fences to keep him from knocking them down), but if you wanted to put electrodes on their body to send them in directions, you would need a neuro-feedback reward mechanism. In the case of training dogs and horses, that feedback mechanism is the emotional approval and praise, which builds rapport and a way of relating. In all but actively malicious situations, even most people don't understand what they are being punished for, let alone animals, and it's a neutralizing mechanism. Using ML/AI for stimulus/response training seems like a risk for a lot of cruelty to train the model, and even where it uses rewards, the deprivation and dependency becomes a kind of cruelty as well. I don't know there is an ethical way to do this.
groffee 4y ago
Why would you need instructors when you can simply download the skill into your brain and become an expert in a few seconds?
verdverm 4y ago
Once we have sophisticated enough humanoid robots, these would be teachable by ai

peteradio 4y ago

Plumbing.

verdverm 4y ago
Why is this something you think AI cannot do ever? What is too difficult about plumbing?
- peteradio 4y ago
  Any sufficiently well evolved AI would develop the self respect to leave it to us humans. Have you ever done renovation plumbing?
  - verdverm 4y ago
    AI does not need self awareness to be used as out tool. What is so hard about plumbing that a machine (hardware+software) cannot be developed to do it?
    - metadat 4y ago
      Clearly you've never done any serious plumbing job. It seems simple in my mind, but going to do any of it in real life quickly gets quite complicated: * Any tiny leak of liquid or gas is a huge problem and liability, thousands of units of resources (water or whatever) can be wasted and also cause property damage or kill people (gas leaks) * Figuring out and sourcing the right fittings and BoM can be challenging * It's fundamentally a messy business, mixing primer and glue, digging trenches, hard to reach spaces, encountering other unknown pipes or obstacles and needing to figure out head scratchers like "well how important is this unmarked X in the way of where I need to route" * Lots of jobs involve retrofitting the future thing into existing (old, or even very old) structures where everything is variable from one case to the next In many ways, programming is a lot easier since the complexity is in your head and not a physical problem. In general I love DIY and do it for a lot of things, but when it comes to plumbing the lessons I've learned are 1.) when possible, leave it alone and not mess with it, and 2.) Otherwise bite the bullet and hire a professional.

bell-cot 4y ago

Anything requiring physical presence/action, since you said "AI", not "AI plus robotics". For anything in the top ~1% of the human social ladder - you can count on the politicians, plutocrats, etc. who make the rules in human society being extremely reluctant to allow AI's to start replacing their own kind. Your "can't ever" is too ambiguous. If "ever" allows thousands of years, then it's purely a philosophical/linguistic question. If you're mostly interested in credible threats to your own career, then it's more a technology/society question.

sanroot99 4y ago
It might happen that some automation problem might come under undecidablity , aka halting problem ,or some problems are so difficult that it requires immense computation ,for eg many simulations in fluid dynamics and cosmos .

JoeAltmaier 4y ago

Prostitution? As mentioned, anything requiring physical presence.