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There are plenty who don't really engage in work during regular working hours. I lead a team and don't ask for overtime and try to shield my reports from such

There are plenty who don't really engage in work during regular working hours. I lead a team and don't ask for overtime and try to shield my reports from such demands from above. It's not a good long term strategy, I prefer maximizing the productivity of regular work hours with clear expectations and planning. I try to keep their plates clear of overhead so they can focus on the work. But getting real engagement is difficult for some of them. Some are really engaged and it's easy to tell. They pro actively solve their problems instead of being blocked by any little thing that happens. Others figuratively toss their hands in the air and point fingers at others as to why they couldn't finish a thing, regarding items they could have done something about. I'm not sure I completely buy this idea that it's all managements fault. Some employees default mode, as you say, is non engagement. Maybe a golden manager they love could trigger that. But mostly they are just lazy. Some are, indeed, a reflection of their belief that their work matters. But this group, that's "in play" to be influenced is maybe 30-50% in my experience, and is heavily dependent on hiring. Some rare few are just workers and ignore the issues.

soared 4y ago
People who aren’t doing their job are not quiet quitting so I don’t think your example applies to this discussion.
- blooalien 4y ago
  Sadly, for whatever reason, people who aren't doing their job also aren't being fired nearly as often as they used to be either. This fact can also contribute to a feeling of despair which leads good hard working employees to feel like giving up as well. When you're working your butt off and doing a great job, and the guy/gal next to you is constantly slacking, and somehow you're both getting paid the same, while some weasely little manager talks down to everyone all the time, it kinda makes you wanna just do the absolute bare minimum you can get away with doing.
- locutous 4y ago
  They do enough to avoid the ire of the business that would get them fired. Coasting because they can. Which I thought fits pretty well.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    If their coasting falls within the minimum expectations then they are still doing their job. If their coasting is sub-minimal, that means both them and their managers are not doing their job, because management is not firing them when they should be. Thus both parties are not quiet quitting. It's also not just about firing. If they're not engaged, it's up to management to unblock them, train them, incentivize them, reprimand them, put them on PIPs, etc. It's not a one-way street.

soared 4y ago

People who aren’t doing their job are not quiet quitting so I don’t think your example applies to this discussion.

blooalien 4y ago
Sadly, for whatever reason, people who aren't doing their job also aren't being fired nearly as often as they used to be either. This fact can also contribute to a feeling of despair which leads good hard working employees to feel like giving up as well. When you're working your butt off and doing a great job, and the guy/gal next to you is constantly slacking, and somehow you're both getting paid the same, while some weasely little manager talks down to everyone all the time, it kinda makes you wanna just do the absolute bare minimum you can get away with doing.
locutous 4y ago
They do enough to avoid the ire of the business that would get them fired. Coasting because they can. Which I thought fits pretty well.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  If their coasting falls within the minimum expectations then they are still doing their job. If their coasting is sub-minimal, that means both them and their managers are not doing their job, because management is not firing them when they should be. Thus both parties are not quiet quitting. It's also not just about firing. If they're not engaged, it's up to management to unblock them, train them, incentivize them, reprimand them, put them on PIPs, etc. It's not a one-way street.