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Seems like the obvious answer is no. But if can see that they are doing important stuff, and you're letting your hangups over unrelated political issues keep yo

Seems like the obvious answer is no. But if can see that they are doing important stuff, and you're letting your hangups over unrelated political issues keep you from donating to their awesome work, I'd say that's a mistake. They have a 4/5 from Charity Navigator for spending their money effectively.

fsflover 4y ago
> They have a 4/5 from Charity Navigator You probably mean 4/4: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/043091431 https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/043091431.
lupire 4y ago
Charity Navigator does not try to measure effectivess. They measure overhead and transparency.
hda2 4y ago
> I'd say that's a mistake I wouldn't. If the EFF really wants my financial support, they can split their org into two; one that focuses exclusively on defending our digital rights (to whom I would gladly donate) and one that focuses on social justice. This mentality of packaging the bad with the good is precisely what got the US where it is now.
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- kajecounterhack 4y ago
  > This mentality of packaging the bad with the good is precisely what got the US where it is now. Well this is inevitable. People just don't have time to be involved in every issue, so you find the parties / organizations / representatives that _most_ represent you, and that's what you get. There's never going to be an org or politician that perfectly represents you; you have to pick which people/orgs will most help shape the world to be the one you want to live in. Also, if among free speech & digital rights supporters you're in a minority that doesn't like stuff like, iono, gender equality... well you can find other ways to express that point of view. I seriously doubt EFF's work is changing peoples' minds about that anyway; their involvement in some of those issues is more reflecting how most EFF constituents feel.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  This is how I feel about Mozilla. MZLA used AI to generate wallpapers for Thunderbird that nobody asked for, somebody is in a salaried role doing it that's funded by donations. What a complete waste of money considering the AI isn't even FOSS, and they are promoting it on the Thunderbird blog. That's without even getting into the arrogance displayed by a big name from their camp on AI ethics. Did all kinds of mental gymnastics to say he was a very talented artist for typing text into Discord. Open source email clients don't need marketing gimmicks, they need substance. BTW, did you know the same person in that role is now introducing a Thunderbird podcast? Who asked for a podcast for a FOSS email client? Nobody. Dude has proven once again that Mozilla should just focus on making great software as they close-to-zero credibility left after working with Meta and shambolic PR disaster after PR disaster. FWIW, even though I'm a huge FOSS evangelist, I switched to Vivaldi and Gmail, because fuck that.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
My problem with these unrelated political issues is that they directly collide with the rights the EFF traditionally tried to defend. Nobody is talking about net neutrality anymore and activists actively try to convince suppliers of net infrastructure to drop the target of the day. These political issues do not converge very well and old liberties are regularly undermined. I know I am painting with a broad brush here, but I am at a point where I want it severed into something else.

fsflover 4y ago

> They have a 4/5 from Charity Navigator You probably mean 4/4: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/043091431 https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/043091431.

lupire 4y ago

Charity Navigator does not try to measure effectivess. They measure overhead and transparency.

hda2 4y ago

> I'd say that's a mistake I wouldn't. If the EFF really wants my financial support, they can split their org into two; one that focuses exclusively on defending our digital rights (to whom I would gladly donate) and one that focuses on social justice. This mentality of packaging the bad with the good is precisely what got the US where it is now.

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kajecounterhack 4y ago
> This mentality of packaging the bad with the good is precisely what got the US where it is now. Well this is inevitable. People just don't have time to be involved in every issue, so you find the parties / organizations / representatives that _most_ represent you, and that's what you get. There's never going to be an org or politician that perfectly represents you; you have to pick which people/orgs will most help shape the world to be the one you want to live in. Also, if among free speech & digital rights supporters you're in a minority that doesn't like stuff like, iono, gender equality... well you can find other ways to express that point of view. I seriously doubt EFF's work is changing peoples' minds about that anyway; their involvement in some of those issues is more reflecting how most EFF constituents feel.
hammyhavoc 4y ago
This is how I feel about Mozilla. MZLA used AI to generate wallpapers for Thunderbird that nobody asked for, somebody is in a salaried role doing it that's funded by donations. What a complete waste of money considering the AI isn't even FOSS, and they are promoting it on the Thunderbird blog. That's without even getting into the arrogance displayed by a big name from their camp on AI ethics. Did all kinds of mental gymnastics to say he was a very talented artist for typing text into Discord. Open source email clients don't need marketing gimmicks, they need substance. BTW, did you know the same person in that role is now introducing a Thunderbird podcast? Who asked for a podcast for a FOSS email client? Nobody. Dude has proven once again that Mozilla should just focus on making great software as they close-to-zero credibility left after working with Meta and shambolic PR disaster after PR disaster. FWIW, even though I'm a huge FOSS evangelist, I switched to Vivaldi and Gmail, because fuck that.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

My problem with these unrelated political issues is that they directly collide with the rights the EFF traditionally tried to defend. Nobody is talking about net neutrality anymore and activists actively try to convince suppliers of net infrastructure to drop the target of the day. These political issues do not converge very well and old liberties are regularly undermined. I know I am painting with a broad brush here, but I am at a point where I want it severed into something else.