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SOME right-wing communities are rather racist and frankly unhinged with the worst aspects of online behaviour - just look at QAnon and Proud Boys and the hatred

SOME right-wing communities are rather racist and frankly unhinged with the worst aspects of online behaviour - just look at QAnon and Proud Boys and the hatred of LGBTQ people. It is not like the old days of conservatism - Big govt is bad - lower taxes- unions are bad - abortion is bad - work at will is the way to go. Most left wing communities even the extreme ones in comparison get upset full of vitrol but that rarely veers into that sort of behaviour - health care for all - single payer - socialism works is hardly offensive to many.

sol_invictus 4y ago
False comparison - you’ll find plenty of vitriol against white people, christians, traditional values and such in extreme left
- batmanturkey 4y ago
  But no calls to violence, despite our desires to oust politicians who make hay off of threatening violence.
  - sol_invictus 4y ago
    Just an example from, uh, 2 days ago: https://www.chronicle.com/article/professor-fired-for-alleged-threat-to-kill-all-white-people-is-named-interim-provost-of-troubled-college https://www.chronicle.com/article/professor-fired-for-allege...
    - the_why_of_y 4y ago
      This earlier article is far more interesting; most importantly it contains the words the professor actually said; the quote in the headline of the article you link is disputed. (Interestingly, both articles have the same author.) https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-disenchantment-of-a-black-professor https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-disenchantment-of-a-bl... It's a long story about an ambitious academic losing at university politics, to the point of being fired from a tenured position without, allegedly, due process. https://www.thefire.org/fired-for-criticizing-his-administration-and-discussing-racism-indiana-professor-sues/ https://www.thefire.org/fired-for-criticizing-his-administra...
      - sol_invictus 4y ago
        to be frank I'm not here to argue the semantics of a single incident, but rather to argue against the "left can do no harm" crowd
        pritambaral 4y ago
        > ... I'm not here to argue the semantics of a single incident You cited said single incident as an example. It's validity as an example is open to impeachment.
- tibbydudeza 4y ago
  Making fun of and mocking a belief in God/Jesus is harmless compared to some the stuff on the extreme rightwing - now who had a noose for "traitors" at their political rallies. You don't see lefties burning crosses, displaying Nazi symbols or parading with signs i.r.o Jews now do you ???. Nope the problem is mainly from one side.
  - HKH2 4y ago
    People proudly display the hammer and sickle, because Hitler was an evil man, whereas Mao and Stalin were just extremely unlucky or something. Antifa and BLM don't assault people or destroy property (If people deserve it, it's not assault or something like that. At any rate it just can't be domestic terrorism.) You can't be racist against white people, because they are the only racists by definition! I wish some people had a shred of intellectual honesty.
    - tibbydudeza 4y ago
      Two of our neighbouring countries has an AK47 on their national flag (Zimbabwe/Mozambique). If you knew about their tortured path to emancipation for the black majority and to statehood from colonialism then it makes sense why it is so. The same for my country - things are nuanced - hammer and sickle is hardly as offensive and can be placed in the same category as the Nazi symbol it does not represent the misguided Mao (killing of sparrows led to locusts = failed harvests) and the nutcases that was Stalin/Beira.
      - HKH2 4y ago
        > things are nuanced - hammer and sickle is hardly as offensive and can be placed in the same category as the Nazi symbol Even if you completely buy into the narrative that it was a giant mistake, what is nuanced about the fact that tens of millions of people died needlessly? That fact alone makes any display of the flag reprehensible. If 'misguided' is how you describe Mao, then you do not know Chinese history, or you're talking about a completely different person. At the very least, Mao was directly responsible for the millions of landlords that were killed, along with academics and critics. How on earth can you justify that morally?
roenxi 4y ago
But the actual results of the left are much scarier than those of the right. "Socialism works" in particular was the initial seed of some of the worst suffering humanity has ever called forth. And I haven't seen a tally of the results but the amount of political violence could be relatively balanced. Eg, attacks on congress people [0] is roughly balanced, with arguably the Republicans have suffered more (I personally call that 1-1 since 2000, although the attack on the republican baseball game was probably trying to achieve mass slaughter - it isn't obvious the attack on Rand Paul was the normal political assassination variety). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress_members_killed_or_wounded_in_office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress...
- tibbydudeza 4y ago
  Socialism as in Sweden or AOC or Bernie Sanders. You are no doubt from the US watching the the wrong news channel missing out an nuance when it comes to using the word confusing it with the Cuban/Soviet communism. It is definitely not the same.
  - roenxi 4y ago
    I'm not from the US & I don't watch corporate news. And I doubt any of the people who cause that sort of catastrophe go in to it saying "lol we're gonna starve you peasants!". They go in saying "this'll work, you just need to give us power rather than those greedy capitalists". The ideas there turned out to be worse than WWII because they weren't on-the-face scary enough to prompt the violent resistance to them that was needed. I dunno, I suppose just as a point of interest, what part of the communist ideology do you think they got wrong, which needs to be avoided? Particularly from the early days before people realised how bad the famines were going to be? And I don't think that the US socialists are interested in copying Sweeden. They've got their own plans and they're going to claim "this is what worked in Sweden!" regardless of whether that is true or not. I don't think AOC or Sanders speaks Swedish or has any respect for Swedish legal principle.
    - tibbydudeza 4y ago

sol_invictus 4y ago

False comparison - you’ll find plenty of vitriol against white people, christians, traditional values and such in extreme left

batmanturkey 4y ago
But no calls to violence, despite our desires to oust politicians who make hay off of threatening violence.
- sol_invictus 4y ago
  Just an example from, uh, 2 days ago: https://www.chronicle.com/article/professor-fired-for-alleged-threat-to-kill-all-white-people-is-named-interim-provost-of-troubled-college https://www.chronicle.com/article/professor-fired-for-allege...
  - the_why_of_y 4y ago
    This earlier article is far more interesting; most importantly it contains the words the professor actually said; the quote in the headline of the article you link is disputed. (Interestingly, both articles have the same author.) https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-disenchantment-of-a-black-professor https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-disenchantment-of-a-bl... It's a long story about an ambitious academic losing at university politics, to the point of being fired from a tenured position without, allegedly, due process. https://www.thefire.org/fired-for-criticizing-his-administration-and-discussing-racism-indiana-professor-sues/ https://www.thefire.org/fired-for-criticizing-his-administra...
    - sol_invictus 4y ago
      to be frank I'm not here to argue the semantics of a single incident, but rather to argue against the "left can do no harm" crowd
      - pritambaral 4y ago
        > ... I'm not here to argue the semantics of a single incident You cited said single incident as an example. It's validity as an example is open to impeachment.
tibbydudeza 4y ago
Making fun of and mocking a belief in God/Jesus is harmless compared to some the stuff on the extreme rightwing - now who had a noose for "traitors" at their political rallies. You don't see lefties burning crosses, displaying Nazi symbols or parading with signs i.r.o Jews now do you ???. Nope the problem is mainly from one side.
- HKH2 4y ago
  People proudly display the hammer and sickle, because Hitler was an evil man, whereas Mao and Stalin were just extremely unlucky or something. Antifa and BLM don't assault people or destroy property (If people deserve it, it's not assault or something like that. At any rate it just can't be domestic terrorism.) You can't be racist against white people, because they are the only racists by definition! I wish some people had a shred of intellectual honesty.
  - tibbydudeza 4y ago
    Two of our neighbouring countries has an AK47 on their national flag (Zimbabwe/Mozambique). If you knew about their tortured path to emancipation for the black majority and to statehood from colonialism then it makes sense why it is so. The same for my country - things are nuanced - hammer and sickle is hardly as offensive and can be placed in the same category as the Nazi symbol it does not represent the misguided Mao (killing of sparrows led to locusts = failed harvests) and the nutcases that was Stalin/Beira.
    - HKH2 4y ago
      > things are nuanced - hammer and sickle is hardly as offensive and can be placed in the same category as the Nazi symbol Even if you completely buy into the narrative that it was a giant mistake, what is nuanced about the fact that tens of millions of people died needlessly? That fact alone makes any display of the flag reprehensible. If 'misguided' is how you describe Mao, then you do not know Chinese history, or you're talking about a completely different person. At the very least, Mao was directly responsible for the millions of landlords that were killed, along with academics and critics. How on earth can you justify that morally?

roenxi 4y ago

But the actual results of the left are much scarier than those of the right. "Socialism works" in particular was the initial seed of some of the worst suffering humanity has ever called forth. And I haven't seen a tally of the results but the amount of political violence could be relatively balanced. Eg, attacks on congress people [0] is roughly balanced, with arguably the Republicans have suffered more (I personally call that 1-1 since 2000, although the attack on the republican baseball game was probably trying to achieve mass slaughter - it isn't obvious the attack on Rand Paul was the normal political assassination variety). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress_members_killed_or_wounded_in_office https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Congress...

tibbydudeza 4y ago
Socialism as in Sweden or AOC or Bernie Sanders. You are no doubt from the US watching the the wrong news channel missing out an nuance when it comes to using the word confusing it with the Cuban/Soviet communism. It is definitely not the same.
- roenxi 4y ago
  I'm not from the US & I don't watch corporate news. And I doubt any of the people who cause that sort of catastrophe go in to it saying "lol we're gonna starve you peasants!". They go in saying "this'll work, you just need to give us power rather than those greedy capitalists". The ideas there turned out to be worse than WWII because they weren't on-the-face scary enough to prompt the violent resistance to them that was needed. I dunno, I suppose just as a point of interest, what part of the communist ideology do you think they got wrong, which needs to be avoided? Particularly from the early days before people realised how bad the famines were going to be? And I don't think that the US socialists are interested in copying Sweeden. They've got their own plans and they're going to claim "this is what worked in Sweden!" regardless of whether that is true or not. I don't think AOC or Sanders speaks Swedish or has any respect for Swedish legal principle.
  - tibbydudeza 4y ago