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The social network aspect was a means to an end ("get enterprise customers"), but the needs of enterprise customers differ from the needs of open source communi

The social network aspect was a means to an end ("get enterprise customers"), but the needs of enterprise customers differ from the needs of open source communities. Hence the "indecision"

dijit 4y ago
ironic, as a person who was very warm to GitHub previously and after attempting to coldly assess their offering for enterprise: I found it to be quite lacking compared to Gitlab. I can't imagine choosing GitHub except for cool points or if you're working very closely with code that isn't yours primarily. For example: Things like SAML and SCIM are very important to enterprise customers and it feels extremely jank on GitHub.
- satyrnein 4y ago
  We're on Azure DevOps (despite deploying to AWS) and it's been weirdly good. I'm a little sad that Microsoft's focus is shifting to GitHub. We're evaluating GitLab as another possible all-in-one solution.
  - dijit 4y ago
    Sometimes microsoft really hits. Excel, MSSQL, vscode, c#. Then you get turds like Teams..
p-e-w 4y ago
> the needs of enterprise customers differ from the needs of open source communities Indeed, but GitHub's "social" features cater neither to enterprise customers nor to open source communities, but to a (hypothetical?) group of people that want a blend of software engineering and Instagram-style popularity chasing, with a bit of cartoon cuteness sprinkled on top. I honestly found the introduction of the "achievements" section on user pages to be borderline insulting. I'm building cool stuff, not playing an RPG. Who does GitHub think their userbase is?
- TAForObvReasons 4y ago
  Stars at some point served as "social proof" of something (eyeballs, users, interest), but Goodhart's law struck. At least three investor groups are explicitly looking at lists of the most starred / forked projects and throwing money at those with "Instagram-style popularity", so we've reached the stage where people can trade in the "internet points" for real money.
saurik 4y ago
..."enterprise customers" want a "social network"? (I feel like I'm not parsing what you are saying correctly.)

The social network aspect was a means to an end ("get enterprise customers"), but the needs of enterprise customers differ from the needs of open source communities. Hence the "indecision"

dijit 4y ago

ironic, as a person who was very warm to GitHub previously and after attempting to coldly assess their offering for enterprise: I found it to be quite lacking compared to Gitlab. I can't imagine choosing GitHub except for cool points or if you're working very closely with code that isn't yours primarily. For example: Things like SAML and SCIM are very important to enterprise customers and it feels extremely jank on GitHub.

satyrnein 4y ago
We're on Azure DevOps (despite deploying to AWS) and it's been weirdly good. I'm a little sad that Microsoft's focus is shifting to GitHub. We're evaluating GitLab as another possible all-in-one solution.
- dijit 4y ago
  Sometimes microsoft really hits. Excel, MSSQL, vscode, c#. Then you get turds like Teams..

p-e-w 4y ago

> the needs of enterprise customers differ from the needs of open source communities Indeed, but GitHub's "social" features cater neither to enterprise customers nor to open source communities, but to a (hypothetical?) group of people that want a blend of software engineering and Instagram-style popularity chasing, with a bit of cartoon cuteness sprinkled on top. I honestly found the introduction of the "achievements" section on user pages to be borderline insulting. I'm building cool stuff, not playing an RPG. Who does GitHub think their userbase is?

TAForObvReasons 4y ago
Stars at some point served as "social proof" of something (eyeballs, users, interest), but Goodhart's law struck. At least three investor groups are explicitly looking at lists of the most starred / forked projects and throwing money at those with "Instagram-style popularity", so we've reached the stage where people can trade in the "internet points" for real money.

saurik 4y ago

..."enterprise customers" want a "social network"? (I feel like I'm not parsing what you are saying correctly.)