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The company said it would look into that, also ARM and RISC-V mainboard versions. Linus Tech Tips actually reached out to AMD on behalf of Framework and there

The company said it would look into that, also ARM and RISC-V mainboard versions. Linus Tech Tips actually reached out to AMD on behalf of Framework and there he said there was no response on either side.

OJFord 4y ago
Not exactly shocking is it? He's approximately nobody to them. Why him? I would think AMD sales far more likely to respond to Framework itself, a potential albeit small customer.
- scrlk 4y ago
  Linus is an investor in Framework [0]. Secondly, I think he was giving it a shot as he's probably the largest media personality in the enthusiast PC space, and figured that reaching out to his AMD contacts would yield some results. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc922ntnKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc922ntnKM
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I know, I just don't think that's relevant. Unless Framework thought he would have better luck than them (for some reason?!) and asked him to, that would be different. But based on people here knowing about it, I think it's just arrogance. Sibling commentor says Framework also didn't follow up, i.e. presumably they don't want to buy AMD chips at the moment, want to keep it 'simple' focus on one for now, or whatever.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      More likely, Framework dreads the Osborne Effect, and knows better than to jinx sales of product already in the pipeline. And no doubt Intel has them by the short hairs; they can't afford to go all-in on AMD, and can't afford to break ranks. You have to be Dell, ASUS, or Lenovo to dare cross Intel. Intel has myriad ways to make life uncomfortable, and uses them ruthlessly. Even the Big Kids sabotage their own "build-a-laptop" pages to carefully steer you away from AMD machines they do build. Particularly Lenovo.
- Macha 4y ago
  He's an investor to tune of $250,000 of their $18,000,000 valuation, so about 1.5%. Not buy a board seat level by any means, but not his usual random dude on the internet relationship with manufacturers either. Now AMD on the other hand, he likely did overestimate the influence AMD marketing (and hence indirectly Linus) had over AMD's business deals planning, but the lack of follow-up is also from the framework side
  - OJFord 4y ago
    And AMD has a $134 B valuation. I do not see why they care about some Youtuber asking them to sell chips to a company he gave some pocket change to. There isn't even a business relationship there for them to think it's a serious sales enquiry. And if Framework also showed 'lack of follow-up' (whatever that means? They didn't want to talk to him about buying AMD either?) then it probably wasn't?
    - Macha 4y ago
      I don't know what AMD's valuation has to do with how seriously Framework will take an enquiry from one of their top ten investors. If you hadn't jumped into internet point scoring mode you would have seen that nowhere did I imply AMD was obliged to care. Linus certainly has a lot of influence with the AMD consumer marketing folks given that he is arguably the largest media source in that division's target market. He incorrectly assumed that that meant anything else to AMD. You can see how someone thinks "Oh AMD always replies to my emails really quick, they must care what I think", and not familiar with interior workings of corporate politics wrongly extrapolate that out to the entire company, rather than the one division who's job is to care about people like him - he was a PM at a regional retailer, then he was a youtuber, so I think as obvious as this would be to anyone who's worked in a large corporation, it is not his background. Lack of follow up by framework is from Linus's own description. By the sounds of it his contact at framework was like "yeah we'll think about that, but we're busy right now" and put it on a backlog somewhere.
      - OJFord 4y ago
        'Internet point scoring mode'? I don't mind telling you that all my comments (at time of writing) in this thread sit at 1, I don't care, and that the next most recent thread I commented in was a lambasted attempt to correct the use of 'efficiency' in describing heat pumps. I am not doing well if what I care about is internet point scoring, I assure you. > I don't know what AMD's valuation has to do with how seriously Framework will take an enquiry from one of their top ten investors. Just as I don't know what Framework's valuation has to do with why one of the contributors to it is justified in taking it upon himself to try to order the company a different CPU. > He incorrectly assumed that that meant anything else to AMD. I think we agree there. > Lack of follow up by framework is from Linus's own description. By the sounds of it his contact at framework was like "yeah we'll think about that, but we're busy right now" and put it on a backlog somewhere. Right, they did not ask for his help, it doesn't really make any sense that he took it upon himself to try. What was AMD supposed to say, 'sure we will sell if Framework wants to order'? And then what, Framework is just as uninterested/not prioritising it as yesterday?

OJFord 4y ago

Not exactly shocking is it? He's approximately nobody to them. Why him? I would think AMD sales far more likely to respond to Framework itself, a potential albeit small customer.

scrlk 4y ago
Linus is an investor in Framework [0]. Secondly, I think he was giving it a shot as he's probably the largest media personality in the enthusiast PC space, and figured that reaching out to his AMD contacts would yield some results. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc922ntnKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYc922ntnKM
- OJFord 4y ago
  I know, I just don't think that's relevant. Unless Framework thought he would have better luck than them (for some reason?!) and asked him to, that would be different. But based on people here knowing about it, I think it's just arrogance. Sibling commentor says Framework also didn't follow up, i.e. presumably they don't want to buy AMD chips at the moment, want to keep it 'simple' focus on one for now, or whatever.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    More likely, Framework dreads the Osborne Effect, and knows better than to jinx sales of product already in the pipeline. And no doubt Intel has them by the short hairs; they can't afford to go all-in on AMD, and can't afford to break ranks. You have to be Dell, ASUS, or Lenovo to dare cross Intel. Intel has myriad ways to make life uncomfortable, and uses them ruthlessly. Even the Big Kids sabotage their own "build-a-laptop" pages to carefully steer you away from AMD machines they do build. Particularly Lenovo.
Macha 4y ago
He's an investor to tune of $250,000 of their $18,000,000 valuation, so about 1.5%. Not buy a board seat level by any means, but not his usual random dude on the internet relationship with manufacturers either. Now AMD on the other hand, he likely did overestimate the influence AMD marketing (and hence indirectly Linus) had over AMD's business deals planning, but the lack of follow-up is also from the framework side
- OJFord 4y ago
  And AMD has a $134 B valuation. I do not see why they care about some Youtuber asking them to sell chips to a company he gave some pocket change to. There isn't even a business relationship there for them to think it's a serious sales enquiry. And if Framework also showed 'lack of follow-up' (whatever that means? They didn't want to talk to him about buying AMD either?) then it probably wasn't?
  - Macha 4y ago
    I don't know what AMD's valuation has to do with how seriously Framework will take an enquiry from one of their top ten investors. If you hadn't jumped into internet point scoring mode you would have seen that nowhere did I imply AMD was obliged to care. Linus certainly has a lot of influence with the AMD consumer marketing folks given that he is arguably the largest media source in that division's target market. He incorrectly assumed that that meant anything else to AMD. You can see how someone thinks "Oh AMD always replies to my emails really quick, they must care what I think", and not familiar with interior workings of corporate politics wrongly extrapolate that out to the entire company, rather than the one division who's job is to care about people like him - he was a PM at a regional retailer, then he was a youtuber, so I think as obvious as this would be to anyone who's worked in a large corporation, it is not his background. Lack of follow up by framework is from Linus's own description. By the sounds of it his contact at framework was like "yeah we'll think about that, but we're busy right now" and put it on a backlog somewhere.
    - OJFord 4y ago
      'Internet point scoring mode'? I don't mind telling you that all my comments (at time of writing) in this thread sit at 1, I don't care, and that the next most recent thread I commented in was a lambasted attempt to correct the use of 'efficiency' in describing heat pumps. I am not doing well if what I care about is internet point scoring, I assure you. > I don't know what AMD's valuation has to do with how seriously Framework will take an enquiry from one of their top ten investors. Just as I don't know what Framework's valuation has to do with why one of the contributors to it is justified in taking it upon himself to try to order the company a different CPU. > He incorrectly assumed that that meant anything else to AMD. I think we agree there. > Lack of follow up by framework is from Linus's own description. By the sounds of it his contact at framework was like "yeah we'll think about that, but we're busy right now" and put it on a backlog somewhere. Right, they did not ask for his help, it doesn't really make any sense that he took it upon himself to try. What was AMD supposed to say, 'sure we will sell if Framework wants to order'? And then what, Framework is just as uninterested/not prioritising it as yesterday?