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I believe we're watching the USA collapse as you describe, and that despite much wider coverage our understanding of its collapse will, too, be more about the b

by tomcam 4y ago

I believe we're watching the USA collapse as you describe, and that despite much wider coverage our understanding of its collapse will, too, be more about the beholder.

jaza 4y ago
How fitting, then, that so many of the USA's capital city buildings boast heavily Roman-inspired architecture.
bmismyname 4y ago
First it's slow, and then suddenly it's all at once. We're still in the slow phase, for the time being.
throwaway6734 4y ago
How many SPY puts are you holding?
- bmismyname 4y ago
  Puts aren't a good way to hedge against this because in the event the US empire does collapse, your US dollars won't be of much use. In fact, I'd bet that the stock market will actually shoot up to insane levels because the government response will be more money printing to fund military endeavors. Probably better to invest in land in places with a (relatively) stable climate, good fresh water supply, and far enough north and high enough in elevation to be protected from the most obvious effects of climate change.
thegabriele 4y ago
What structure of USA will collapse in your estimation? Since we're talking about a democratic federation and not an "empire".
- tomcam 4y ago
  Red-blue split, roughly. Our federal bureaucracy has become a legislature with no accountability. In that regard we are a late stage empire.
  - rnk 4y ago
    Most states are not clearly red or blue. Most all of the big cities are blue, most of the countryside is red. Even texas is not 65% conservative on voting; less than 5% shift and it would be a tossup or democratic. Maybe a few states like wyoming would go clearly one way but a vast amount of states would not be able to all go one way (think of california). So the outcome of a real us split would be chaos, terror, mixed states. I'm in a very blue state, but the rural population (30% maybe) is a different world of wealth, education, politics, population density. We subsidize their economy by building infrastructure there they can't afford (like roads and bridges). This causes endless arguing at the state level. I think a lot of the states are like this with varying % in the two groups.

by tomcam 4y ago

I believe we're watching the USA collapse as you describe, and that despite much wider coverage our understanding of its collapse will, too, be more about the beholder.

jaza 4y ago

How fitting, then, that so many of the USA's capital city buildings boast heavily Roman-inspired architecture.

bmismyname 4y ago

First it's slow, and then suddenly it's all at once. We're still in the slow phase, for the time being.

throwaway6734 4y ago

How many SPY puts are you holding?

bmismyname 4y ago
Puts aren't a good way to hedge against this because in the event the US empire does collapse, your US dollars won't be of much use. In fact, I'd bet that the stock market will actually shoot up to insane levels because the government response will be more money printing to fund military endeavors. Probably better to invest in land in places with a (relatively) stable climate, good fresh water supply, and far enough north and high enough in elevation to be protected from the most obvious effects of climate change.

thegabriele 4y ago

What structure of USA will collapse in your estimation? Since we're talking about a democratic federation and not an "empire".

tomcam 4y ago
Red-blue split, roughly. Our federal bureaucracy has become a legislature with no accountability. In that regard we are a late stage empire.
- rnk 4y ago
  Most states are not clearly red or blue. Most all of the big cities are blue, most of the countryside is red. Even texas is not 65% conservative on voting; less than 5% shift and it would be a tossup or democratic. Maybe a few states like wyoming would go clearly one way but a vast amount of states would not be able to all go one way (think of california). So the outcome of a real us split would be chaos, terror, mixed states. I'm in a very blue state, but the rural population (30% maybe) is a different world of wealth, education, politics, population density. We subsidize their economy by building infrastructure there they can't afford (like roads and bridges). This causes endless arguing at the state level. I think a lot of the states are like this with varying % in the two groups.