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… and that's your choice! In their defense—both Apple's, and the public's—the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK with outsourcing those choices to a company

by gffrd 4y ago

… and that's your choice! In their defense—both Apple's, and the public's—the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK with outsourcing those choices to a company that's way more interested/invested/capable in knowing better than they would be on their own. Is it arrogant if the public continues to reward/reaffirm it?

mhh__ 4y ago
I agree it's mostly between the customer and apple but just remember that most people don't know anything about computers at all. Even people who have heard of Linux for example's opinions will have mostly been set by people shilling for Windows and so on
noasaservice 4y ago
- kriops 4y ago
  Is it, though? Or is it evidence that Apple's products wins out on usability for the majority of use cases that are relevant to their customers? That is compared to Linux, where you have to make an active effort to acheive the same level of usability.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So you’re saying that you know better what most people want in a phone than they do? I bet if you told 100 random people on the street what they could do with an Android phone that they couldn’t do with an iPhone, 99 of them would shrug and not care.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    The flipside to that is: do you outsource all of your opinions to "the actions of the majority"? Ignorance is the default state and probably shouldn't be relied upon for, or even asked it's opinion on, guiding the path forward.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      No the flip side is that I choose the product on the market that best meets my needs as do most people. I started programming in assembly in 6th grade in 1986 and by the time I graduated from college in 1996, I had dabbled in assembly for four different processors (65C02, 68K, PPC, x86) and I have been a professional hands on keyboard developer since then [1]. I think I have a good grasp on how this computer stuff works. I still prefer the Apple ecosystem. Have you thought that most people don’t care about the ability to run a Linux shell on their phone? I certainly don’t. [1] before I get called out, I’ve mentioned before that my official title now is “cloud architect specialized in application modernization consulting”. But that just means that I’m still just an “full stack enterprise developer” who also writes a shit ton of yaml/HCL/PowerPoint slides, “one pagers” and PrFAQs.
oarsinsync 4y ago
> In their defense—both Apple's, and the public's—the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK Majority of customers purchase one of two options in a duopoly isn’t really an endorsement of the options, but rather a critique on the lack of options.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  Nonsense. At various points during iPhone's lifetime, customers had the ability to choose Windows Phone, Nokia, Symbian, Blackberry. People who wanted cheap or hackable phones went with Android, everyone else bought iPhones. Just like today! Other operating systems were available in the past, and you can release a RISC-V Lisp OS phone incompatible with everything else tomorrow if you want. Just like in the past.
- gffrd 4y ago
  … however, the market decided years ago it didn't want to support a multitude of choices, when all other viable options went belly-up, or currently fail to get traction … or, to be fair, can't compete with the giant marketing machines of the remaining parties. It's just that most people don't care that much.
mistrial9 4y ago
72% of statistics are fabricated
userbinator 4y ago
the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK with outsourcing those choices Because they were deliberately made to feel helpless. to a company that's way more interested/invested/capable in knowing better than they would be on their own. The company is "way more interested" in continuing to squeeze the $$$ out of you, and would rather you not know anything but be subservient to it, because then you cannot object.

by gffrd 4y ago

mhh__ 4y ago

I agree it's mostly between the customer and apple but just remember that most people don't know anything about computers at all. Even people who have heard of Linux for example's opinions will have mostly been set by people shilling for Windows and so on

noasaservice 4y ago

kriops 4y ago
Is it, though? Or is it evidence that Apple's products wins out on usability for the majority of use cases that are relevant to their customers? That is compared to Linux, where you have to make an active effort to acheive the same level of usability.
scarface74 4y ago
So you’re saying that you know better what most people want in a phone than they do? I bet if you told 100 random people on the street what they could do with an Android phone that they couldn’t do with an iPhone, 99 of them would shrug and not care.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  The flipside to that is: do you outsource all of your opinions to "the actions of the majority"? Ignorance is the default state and probably shouldn't be relied upon for, or even asked it's opinion on, guiding the path forward.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    No the flip side is that I choose the product on the market that best meets my needs as do most people. I started programming in assembly in 6th grade in 1986 and by the time I graduated from college in 1996, I had dabbled in assembly for four different processors (65C02, 68K, PPC, x86) and I have been a professional hands on keyboard developer since then [1]. I think I have a good grasp on how this computer stuff works. I still prefer the Apple ecosystem. Have you thought that most people don’t care about the ability to run a Linux shell on their phone? I certainly don’t. [1] before I get called out, I’ve mentioned before that my official title now is “cloud architect specialized in application modernization consulting”. But that just means that I’m still just an “full stack enterprise developer” who also writes a shit ton of yaml/HCL/PowerPoint slides, “one pagers” and PrFAQs.

oarsinsync 4y ago

> In their defense—both Apple's, and the public's—the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK Majority of customers purchase one of two options in a duopoly isn’t really an endorsement of the options, but rather a critique on the lack of options.

KerrAvon 4y ago
Nonsense. At various points during iPhone's lifetime, customers had the ability to choose Windows Phone, Nokia, Symbian, Blackberry. People who wanted cheap or hackable phones went with Android, everyone else bought iPhones. Just like today! Other operating systems were available in the past, and you can release a RISC-V Lisp OS phone incompatible with everything else tomorrow if you want. Just like in the past.
gffrd 4y ago
… however, the market decided years ago it didn't want to support a multitude of choices, when all other viable options went belly-up, or currently fail to get traction … or, to be fair, can't compete with the giant marketing machines of the remaining parties. It's just that most people don't care that much.

mistrial9 4y ago

72% of statistics are fabricated

userbinator 4y ago

the general populace is, like, 99.99% OK with outsourcing those choices Because they were deliberately made to feel helpless. to a company that's way more interested/invested/capable in knowing better than they would be on their own. The company is "way more interested" in continuing to squeeze the $$$ out of you, and would rather you not know anything but be subservient to it, because then you cannot object.