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Agree 100%, if I were not able to download the applications and tools that make me productive, I would be looking for a new job at a less employee hostile work

Agree 100%, if I were not able to download the applications and tools that make me productive, I would be looking for a new job at a less employee hostile work place.

vlod 4y ago
I've worked at places like this (where you don't have admin access). Generally they don't mind you installing stuff that's legit or makes you more productive. They just don't want you granting admin permissions to an email that you inadvertently clicked a strange links on, or some virus laden craking tools, you shouldn't be running. It's understandable, but super annoying. Yeah, it'll probably question my long term view of the company.
- worik 4y ago
  > It's understandable, but super annoying Security and convenience are opposing forces. Security and reliability not so much. My plea to all of us is get used to it. People's piece of mind (at the least) depends on us doing our job, and as this story is an example of us failing. The age of programmers winging it should be long gone. We are professionals with responsibilities. Our jobs are not for our pleasure or satisfaction (even when they are fun and satisfying)
  - arcbyte 4y ago
    I know the tools I need. Enterprise IT doesn't.
    - worik 4y ago
      That is not true. Mēh. Perhaps. But then Enterprise IT is not doing its job. You should not bring your own tools to do this sort of job. We need to be professionals, not enthusiastic amateurs. We work with "Enterprise IT" not against them.
      - arcbyte 4y ago
        The problem is Enterprise IT works against us. Always has and always will. It's a losing game for them but they keep playing.
        worik 4y ago
        No wonder our industry is in such a bad way
iamacyborg 4y ago
The problem is you install some random tool because you need it for a task, forget about it a few months later and then fail to keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to vulnerabilities. It’s not hostile for an employer to want to protect themselves from employee mistakes and there are ways to do this without invading an employees privacy.
- toast0 4y ago
  > forget about it a few months later and then fail to keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to vulnerabilities. Or you do keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to new vulnerabilities.
WJW 4y ago
Would you feel the same if you were developing something intrinsically attractive to state-backed hackers like nuclear power plant control software? At some point you have to take into account hackers with the means to bribe/blackmail the developers of the "applications and tools that make you productive".

Agree 100%, if I were not able to download the applications and tools that make me productive, I would be looking for a new job at a less employee hostile work place.

vlod 4y ago

I've worked at places like this (where you don't have admin access). Generally they don't mind you installing stuff that's legit or makes you more productive. They just don't want you granting admin permissions to an email that you inadvertently clicked a strange links on, or some virus laden craking tools, you shouldn't be running. It's understandable, but super annoying. Yeah, it'll probably question my long term view of the company.

worik 4y ago
> It's understandable, but super annoying Security and convenience are opposing forces. Security and reliability not so much. My plea to all of us is get used to it. People's piece of mind (at the least) depends on us doing our job, and as this story is an example of us failing. The age of programmers winging it should be long gone. We are professionals with responsibilities. Our jobs are not for our pleasure or satisfaction (even when they are fun and satisfying)
- arcbyte 4y ago
  I know the tools I need. Enterprise IT doesn't.
  - worik 4y ago
    That is not true. Mēh. Perhaps. But then Enterprise IT is not doing its job. You should not bring your own tools to do this sort of job. We need to be professionals, not enthusiastic amateurs. We work with "Enterprise IT" not against them.
    - arcbyte 4y ago
      The problem is Enterprise IT works against us. Always has and always will. It's a losing game for them but they keep playing.
      - worik 4y ago
        No wonder our industry is in such a bad way

iamacyborg 4y ago

The problem is you install some random tool because you need it for a task, forget about it a few months later and then fail to keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to vulnerabilities. It’s not hostile for an employer to want to protect themselves from employee mistakes and there are ways to do this without invading an employees privacy.

toast0 4y ago
> forget about it a few months later and then fail to keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to vulnerabilities. Or you do keep it up to date and suddenly it exposes your device to new vulnerabilities.

WJW 4y ago

Would you feel the same if you were developing something intrinsically attractive to state-backed hackers like nuclear power plant control software? At some point you have to take into account hackers with the means to bribe/blackmail the developers of the "applications and tools that make you productive".