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counter opinion: forcing states to decide on abortion will turn the tide in democrats favor nationwide, creating a different sort of unification. While in the

counter opinion: forcing states to decide on abortion will turn the tide in democrats favor nationwide, creating a different sort of unification. While in the short term overturning RvW looks awful, and has terrible consequences for people in the present, in the long term the states will one-by-one elect politicians which protect that right. Some of it will happen in the next election, but even more will happen as the consequences of all these unwanted babies becomes clearer to both the woman bearing them, and the men forced to pay child support. The most common argument to my argument above is that some conservative states are deeply rooted in religion and wouldn't allow that. My counter to that is, you are discounting how many "pro-life republicans" have hypocritically obtained abortion while also railing against it. They will go to the voting booth and be just as hypocritical, likely criticizing in public the very same 'liberal' they voted for in private. My crystal ball says it's tired now, till next time.

jandrewrogers 4y ago
This is an overly simplistic model of the politics. Roughly a third of Republicans are pro-choice. Roughly a third of Democrats are pro-life. And half of the country identifies with neither political party. Some parts of the country are socially conservative and politically libertarian, with a cultural norm of not legislating personal beliefs. These groups are not uniformly distributed throughout the country.
- somenewaccount1 4y ago
  Right. But the democrats that are pro-life will still vote democrat, because they are democrats. The independents are typically pro-choice precisely because they do not like government over-reach...and then it's those 1/3 of republicans that are going to turn the tide when they privately vote counter to their public identity.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  There are further nuances. While a majority favors legal abortions in early stages, there is a very substantial group (across the political spectrum) that disapproves of late stage abortions (except in unusual situations, such as to save the mother's life). The issue has been polarized into two groups: 1) a single cell is a human being 2) a nine month fetus isn't a human being until the last foot has emerged from the birth canal. Many, perhaps most, think both of these positions are utterly ridiculous.

jandrewrogers 4y ago

This is an overly simplistic model of the politics. Roughly a third of Republicans are pro-choice. Roughly a third of Democrats are pro-life. And half of the country identifies with neither political party. Some parts of the country are socially conservative and politically libertarian, with a cultural norm of not legislating personal beliefs. These groups are not uniformly distributed throughout the country.

somenewaccount1 4y ago
Right. But the democrats that are pro-life will still vote democrat, because they are democrats. The independents are typically pro-choice precisely because they do not like government over-reach...and then it's those 1/3 of republicans that are going to turn the tide when they privately vote counter to their public identity.
Turing_Machine 4y ago
There are further nuances. While a majority favors legal abortions in early stages, there is a very substantial group (across the political spectrum) that disapproves of late stage abortions (except in unusual situations, such as to save the mother's life). The issue has been polarized into two groups: 1) a single cell is a human being 2) a nine month fetus isn't a human being until the last foot has emerged from the birth canal. Many, perhaps most, think both of these positions are utterly ridiculous.