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> Cancel culture is not the result of free speech, it's the result of a toxic social environment. > Here are some actionable solutions that don't require limit

> Cancel culture is not the result of free speech, it's the result of a toxic social environment. > Here are some actionable solutions that don't require limiting free speech: > 1. Improve labor laws so craven employers can't just dump their employee because they said something online (unrelated to the company on their personal time) and people are complaining. Well that would mean changing the laws so that people can't be fired for essentially any reason like it is at the moment. Or are you proposing people should be able to get fired for any reason except for saying reprehensible things online? > 2. Regulate social media algorithms to prevent the feedback loops that lead to events like a woman with two followers becoming the target of 20 million people. Generally a good idea, how? Also does that include female journalists being targeted by a horde of guys who are supposedly concerned about gaming journalism? > 3. Change media incentives to improve the quality of journalism and decrease click-bait and outrage-chasing. I could get behind this, but how would we do that. More media financed through taxes/fees?

ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago
I think stronger labour laws are generally a good idea, employment is survival. The full extent is out of scope for this discussion but I've seen many deplorable examples of employee abuse beyond being fired for expressing an opinion. Reprehensible is an interesting term, I think it's at the core of this issue. I gave a couple ideas in a comment below for algorithms so I'll you check that out. I don't understand the basis of the question with regards to the journalist, could you elaborate why you'd want a different algorithm for this female journalist? With regards to the media I answered that in another comment too. Tax incentives and government subsidies are an idea but it's tricky, it depends on the implementation. We have a lot of government influence over the media already so we're not starting from a blank slate. Everything needs to be weighed, I don't have the skills to do so.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  > I think stronger labour laws are generally a good idea, employment is survival. The full extent is out of scope for this discussion but I've seen many deplorable examples of employee abuse beyond being fired for expressing an opinion. Reprehensible is an interesting term, I think it's at the core of this issue. I think some views are reprehensible. Someone who says e.g. black people are subhuman or glorifies the Nazis is exposing reprehensible views in my opinion. And I am very adamant that I don't need to be tolerant of this intolerance. That doesn't necessarily mean that those views should be forbidden, but I will certainly not interact with you if you expose those views. They clearly cross the line. > I gave a couple ideas in a comment below for algorithms so I'll you check that out. OK will do > I don't understand the basis of the question with regards to the journalist, could you elaborate why you'd want a different algorithm for this female journalist? Sorry I was not sure how to take your comment, so I was not fully engaging in good faith. I was referring to gamer gate. But I apologise it was not a good comment. > With regards to the media I answered that in another comment too. Tax incentives and government subsidies are an idea but it's tricky, it depends on the implementation. We have a lot of government influence over the media already so we're not starting from a blank slate. Everything needs to be weighed, I don't have the skills to do so. I agree with you, this is definitely not easy. I do observe that broadly speaking "government sponsored" media, like e..g the BBC in the UK, the ABC in Australia or the German ARD, ZDF,... are significantly less sensationalist.

ad404b8a372f2b9 4y ago

I think stronger labour laws are generally a good idea, employment is survival. The full extent is out of scope for this discussion but I've seen many deplorable examples of employee abuse beyond being fired for expressing an opinion. Reprehensible is an interesting term, I think it's at the core of this issue. I gave a couple ideas in a comment below for algorithms so I'll you check that out. I don't understand the basis of the question with regards to the journalist, could you elaborate why you'd want a different algorithm for this female journalist? With regards to the media I answered that in another comment too. Tax incentives and government subsidies are an idea but it's tricky, it depends on the implementation. We have a lot of government influence over the media already so we're not starting from a blank slate. Everything needs to be weighed, I don't have the skills to do so.

cycomanic 4y ago
> I think stronger labour laws are generally a good idea, employment is survival. The full extent is out of scope for this discussion but I've seen many deplorable examples of employee abuse beyond being fired for expressing an opinion. Reprehensible is an interesting term, I think it's at the core of this issue. I think some views are reprehensible. Someone who says e.g. black people are subhuman or glorifies the Nazis is exposing reprehensible views in my opinion. And I am very adamant that I don't need to be tolerant of this intolerance. That doesn't necessarily mean that those views should be forbidden, but I will certainly not interact with you if you expose those views. They clearly cross the line. > I gave a couple ideas in a comment below for algorithms so I'll you check that out. OK will do > I don't understand the basis of the question with regards to the journalist, could you elaborate why you'd want a different algorithm for this female journalist? Sorry I was not sure how to take your comment, so I was not fully engaging in good faith. I was referring to gamer gate. But I apologise it was not a good comment. > With regards to the media I answered that in another comment too. Tax incentives and government subsidies are an idea but it's tricky, it depends on the implementation. We have a lot of government influence over the media already so we're not starting from a blank slate. Everything needs to be weighed, I don't have the skills to do so. I agree with you, this is definitely not easy. I do observe that broadly speaking "government sponsored" media, like e..g the BBC in the UK, the ABC in Australia or the German ARD, ZDF,... are significantly less sensationalist.