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Is Popper's POT drivel the only talking point the anti-free speech people have these days? Every time. Sometimes with the associated cartoon.

krapp 4y ago
Is the only rebuttal the other side has ad hominems and slippery slope fallacies? You can disagree with the Paradox of Tolerance but almost no one who does ever even attempts to do so in good faith.
- jessaustin 4y ago
  ...almost no one who does can even attempt to do so in good faith. This seems a bit overblown. You can't imagine that someone with radically different experiences than your own could genuinely object to some aspect of this "Paradox"? What dastardly scheme do they advance by pretending to so object?
  - krapp 4y ago
    >You can't imagine that someone with radically different experiences than your own could genuinely object to some aspect of this "Paradox"? I'm sure they can, but most people don't seem to understand it well enough to formulate a coherent argument against it, they only know that they hate it because the politics of their tribe hates it. Like people who object to CRT who obviously have never engaged with the source material beyond a quote or two taken out of context. The poster above it drivel and anyone who brings it up anti free-speech. That isn't an argument it's just shit-talking, and it conveniently ignores the fact that the parameters of "free speech" are very much up for debate here. >What dastardly scheme do they advance by pretending to so object? Mostly - because there's a reason none of this was an issue before 2016 - they want to ensure the spread of right-wing accelerationist propaganda without significant social or legal consequence for themselves. But of course they can't argue for this explicitly in most public spaces, so instead they couch their real politics in arguments like "intolerance of intolerance is itself intolerance" or "sunlight is the best disinfectant."

krapp 4y ago

Is the only rebuttal the other side has ad hominems and slippery slope fallacies? You can disagree with the Paradox of Tolerance but almost no one who does ever even attempts to do so in good faith.

jessaustin 4y ago
...almost no one who does can even attempt to do so in good faith. This seems a bit overblown. You can't imagine that someone with radically different experiences than your own could genuinely object to some aspect of this "Paradox"? What dastardly scheme do they advance by pretending to so object?
- krapp 4y ago
  >You can't imagine that someone with radically different experiences than your own could genuinely object to some aspect of this "Paradox"? I'm sure they can, but most people don't seem to understand it well enough to formulate a coherent argument against it, they only know that they hate it because the politics of their tribe hates it. Like people who object to CRT who obviously have never engaged with the source material beyond a quote or two taken out of context. The poster above it drivel and anyone who brings it up anti free-speech. That isn't an argument it's just shit-talking, and it conveniently ignores the fact that the parameters of "free speech" are very much up for debate here. >What dastardly scheme do they advance by pretending to so object? Mostly - because there's a reason none of this was an issue before 2016 - they want to ensure the spread of right-wing accelerationist propaganda without significant social or legal consequence for themselves. But of course they can't argue for this explicitly in most public spaces, so instead they couch their real politics in arguments like "intolerance of intolerance is itself intolerance" or "sunlight is the best disinfectant."