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> Since he took office in 2000, Putin has been eroding the space for public debate in Russia. He moved from dismantling independent media Right, Russia bans in

> Since he took office in 2000, Putin has been eroding the space for public debate in Russia. He moved from dismantling independent media Right, Russia bans independent media, while those in the free EU can go read https://www.rt.com https://www.rt.com ... oh yaa, the EU blocks that web site.

tgv 4y ago
Since you're talking about independent media, your whataboutism doesn't make much sense.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  "Independent" of who? Who gets to decide what is "independent" and therefore deserving of the human right to free speech, versus what is "not independent" and therefore subhuman and not deserving of rights?
  - immibis 4y ago
    Reality does. God am I sick of this "who will decide" nonsense. There is no reality where RT is anything but Russian state-sponsored propaganda.
    - Georgelemental 4y ago
      "Reality" doesn't make decisions. Reality just is. Humans need to make the decisions.
  - tgv 4y ago
    Well, ask the parent of my comment, which introduced the term. But it's not as if you don't know. The dictionary provides two useful definitions of the word: * not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence * capable of thinking or acting for oneself which both apply here. So, media that does not depend on some benefactor (such as a state or larger corp) to stay alive, and that is free to form its own opinions. RT fails these criteria. So how about using common sense instead of trying that state indignant, passive-aggressive relativism.
    - Georgelemental 4y ago
      > not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence Unless your journalists are hunter-gatherers living in the woods, they depend on someone for subsistence. Even if it is just their readers. But probably also their editor, boss, colleagues, government, philanthropic donors, etc. We all live in a society, we all depend on the people around us. And we all deserve the human right to free expression. If bad people don't get human rights, then the whole concept of human rights is meaningless.
seydor 4y ago
The truth is that EU infantilizes its citizens with those bans. It's a war, you want to know the other side's propaganda
whyoh 4y ago
>the EU blocks that web site I think only the RT video broadcast is blocked, not the website.

tgv 4y ago

Since you're talking about independent media, your whataboutism doesn't make much sense.

Georgelemental 4y ago
"Independent" of who? Who gets to decide what is "independent" and therefore deserving of the human right to free speech, versus what is "not independent" and therefore subhuman and not deserving of rights?
- immibis 4y ago
  Reality does. God am I sick of this "who will decide" nonsense. There is no reality where RT is anything but Russian state-sponsored propaganda.
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    "Reality" doesn't make decisions. Reality just is. Humans need to make the decisions.
- tgv 4y ago
  Well, ask the parent of my comment, which introduced the term. But it's not as if you don't know. The dictionary provides two useful definitions of the word: * not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence * capable of thinking or acting for oneself which both apply here. So, media that does not depend on some benefactor (such as a state or larger corp) to stay alive, and that is free to form its own opinions. RT fails these criteria. So how about using common sense instead of trying that state indignant, passive-aggressive relativism.
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    > not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence Unless your journalists are hunter-gatherers living in the woods, they depend on someone for subsistence. Even if it is just their readers. But probably also their editor, boss, colleagues, government, philanthropic donors, etc. We all live in a society, we all depend on the people around us. And we all deserve the human right to free expression. If bad people don't get human rights, then the whole concept of human rights is meaningless.

seydor 4y ago

The truth is that EU infantilizes its citizens with those bans. It's a war, you want to know the other side's propaganda

whyoh 4y ago

>the EU blocks that web site I think only the RT video broadcast is blocked, not the website.