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>... but AI-generated NSFW doesn't seem to be mentioned in any site-wide rules, in the Terms of Service and no reasoning is being provided by Reddit. This is j

>... but AI-generated NSFW doesn't seem to be mentioned in any site-wide rules, in the Terms of Service and no reasoning is being provided by Reddit. This is just plain not true. They very clearly ban AI-generated NSFW content, hence the removal of the subs: >Additionally, images or video of another person posted for the specific purpose of faking explicit content or soliciting “lookalike” pornography (e.g. “deepfakes” or "bubble porn") is also against the Rule. I Google'd "reddit rules", this[1] page was the top result, and under "Rule 3" the reader is linked to this[2] page, with the above quote. [1]https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy [2]https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043513411 https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043513411

capableweb 4y ago
That's for NSFW content that is using the liking of celebrities and such, it's even mentioned by name ("deepfakes"). Images generated with Stable Diffusion is not "faking explicit content ... of another person"/
- jjulius 4y ago
  >Images generated with Stable Diffusion is not "faking explicit content ... of another person" That's just plain old not true. Stable Diffusion absolutely can generate a likeness of a celebrity, just try it here[1] (I just punched in "Uma Thurman" completely at random and got a few likenesses of her face returned to me). You can download the public model and tweak it to go even further[2], eg nude. [1]https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion [2]https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgygy4/stable-diffusion-stability-ai-nsfw-ai-generated-porn https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgygy4/stable-diffusion-stab...
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    I typed Uma Thurman and I got some nightmare fuel results. Sure it looked like her but it wasn't close to the actual Uma Thurman.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Yes, it can, but "deepfake" is explicitly for doing so, Stable Diffusion is not explicitly for that purpose. Just like Photoshop is not explicitly for changing a nude persons face with a celebrity, but you can do so if you can/wish.
    - jjulius 4y ago
      You're incorrectly seizing specifically on the word "deepfake". The broader sentence is: >Additionally, images or video of another person posted for the specific purpose of faking explicit content or soliciting “lookalike” pornography (e.g. “deepfakes” or "bubble porn") is also against the Rule. So, any lookalike pornography of any kind is against the rules. "Deepfake" is just listed as an example. The method used to generate the lookalike pornography is irrelevant - Photoshop, GIMP, hand-drawing, Stable Diffusion, deepfakes, whatever - it doesn't matter, because the result is still "lookalike pornography", which itself is against the rules. There's more verbiage on that page that continues to make their stance clear: >Intimate media include a depiction of the person in a state of nudity or engaged in any act of sexual conduct, including depictions that may have been faked.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        No, I'm telling you that Stable Diffusion's sole purpose is not to facilitate "lookalike" anything, although it can be used for that. Regardless. Say "any lookalike pornography of any kind is against the rules", then surely content fitting that rule, would be removed from the site. But if people keep submitting such content to lets say r/nsfw, then the entire subreddit won't be banned, only the content removed (by either moderators or administrators). Instead, (hypothetically) what's happening, is that reddit is removing entire subreddits containing pornography because some of them contain look-alike pornography. You see the conflict now?
vorpalhex 4y ago
AI generated doesn't mean lookalikes or deepfakes.
- jjulius 4y ago
  It can, though.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    So can hand drawn or photoshopped art.
    - t6jvcereio 4y ago
      Those would be removed as well. So everything is consistent.
      - vorpalhex 4y ago
        They aren't prevented from existing as subreddits. Only violating posts are removed.
  - aaron695 4y ago

capableweb 4y ago

That's for NSFW content that is using the liking of celebrities and such, it's even mentioned by name ("deepfakes"). Images generated with Stable Diffusion is not "faking explicit content ... of another person"/

jjulius 4y ago
>Images generated with Stable Diffusion is not "faking explicit content ... of another person" That's just plain old not true. Stable Diffusion absolutely can generate a likeness of a celebrity, just try it here[1] (I just punched in "Uma Thurman" completely at random and got a few likenesses of her face returned to me). You can download the public model and tweak it to go even further[2], eg nude. [1]https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion [2]https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgygy4/stable-diffusion-stability-ai-nsfw-ai-generated-porn https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgygy4/stable-diffusion-stab...
- cinntaile 4y ago
  I typed Uma Thurman and I got some nightmare fuel results. Sure it looked like her but it wasn't close to the actual Uma Thurman.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Yes, it can, but "deepfake" is explicitly for doing so, Stable Diffusion is not explicitly for that purpose. Just like Photoshop is not explicitly for changing a nude persons face with a celebrity, but you can do so if you can/wish.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    You're incorrectly seizing specifically on the word "deepfake". The broader sentence is: >Additionally, images or video of another person posted for the specific purpose of faking explicit content or soliciting “lookalike” pornography (e.g. “deepfakes” or "bubble porn") is also against the Rule. So, any lookalike pornography of any kind is against the rules. "Deepfake" is just listed as an example. The method used to generate the lookalike pornography is irrelevant - Photoshop, GIMP, hand-drawing, Stable Diffusion, deepfakes, whatever - it doesn't matter, because the result is still "lookalike pornography", which itself is against the rules. There's more verbiage on that page that continues to make their stance clear: >Intimate media include a depiction of the person in a state of nudity or engaged in any act of sexual conduct, including depictions that may have been faked.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      No, I'm telling you that Stable Diffusion's sole purpose is not to facilitate "lookalike" anything, although it can be used for that. Regardless. Say "any lookalike pornography of any kind is against the rules", then surely content fitting that rule, would be removed from the site. But if people keep submitting such content to lets say r/nsfw, then the entire subreddit won't be banned, only the content removed (by either moderators or administrators). Instead, (hypothetically) what's happening, is that reddit is removing entire subreddits containing pornography because some of them contain look-alike pornography. You see the conflict now?

vorpalhex 4y ago

AI generated doesn't mean lookalikes or deepfakes.

jjulius 4y ago
It can, though.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  So can hand drawn or photoshopped art.
  - t6jvcereio 4y ago
    Those would be removed as well. So everything is consistent.
    - vorpalhex 4y ago
      They aren't prevented from existing as subreddits. Only violating posts are removed.
- aaron695 4y ago