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A few things rub me the wrong way here... first, they don't accept cryptocurrency. Then they go on to say to be anonymous you can use services like SimpleLogin

A few things rub me the wrong way here... first, they don't accept cryptocurrency. Then they go on to say to be anonymous you can use services like SimpleLogin or PrivacyHQ, and they state "We do not log searches or associate them with an account, by design." The issue here isn't whether you log searches, but whether you log payment transactions and it is almost a guarantee that they do and is probably by law. SimpleLogin or PrivacyHQ offers no guarantees of anonymity when it comes to government agencies. In fact, you can almost guarantee that virtual debit card providers are logging your transactions and from experience usually require you link a bank account. So even if pay with a virtual debit card and use an email relay, it can still be tied back to your search history if for some reason you are suspected of searching for something that may be investigation worthy. I don't think it is fair to simply trust a company that claims they don't log things, when history has shown that they do in fact even when they say they don't. So why would they even try to market themselves as more private or anonymous? If you want privacy or anonymity then you'll use a free search engine that doesn't want payment; and you'll search from behind a reliable VPN or via Tor.

freediver 4y ago
> but whether you log payment transactions and it is almost a guarantee that they do and is probably by law We don't log payment transactions. We receive notifications from Stripe to our webhook which updates the billing state. > So even if pay with a virtual debit card and use an email relay, it can still be tied back to your search history That is why we make the point of not having any search history. Think about it - what would we use it for? It would just be a liability for us.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  > We don't log payment transactions. We receive notifications from Stripe to our webhook which updates the billing state. So then you have a Stripe account with the transaction information. It is ridiculous to think that you have no information about payments coming to you, not even a transaction ID or reference number. > That is why we make the point of not having any search history. Think about it - what would we use it for? It would just be a liability for us. "Trust us bro, we don't log." Yeah, no thanks... I don't trust you because you told me to, and I've seen other companies saying the same thing that did in fact comply and keep logs but had agreements with agencies that made it "okay" to lie.
redavni 4y ago
I am not Kagi, but $10 a month would not be anywhere near enough money for anyone to provide you with protection from the law.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  So Signal provides encrypted communication for free but should be charging $100/mo?
  - freediver 4y ago
    Signal (sending messages in general) has a fractional cost of use, compared to something like a search engine. It is at least 10,000 times cheaper to send a message to another device than to search the web.

freediver 4y ago

> but whether you log payment transactions and it is almost a guarantee that they do and is probably by law We don't log payment transactions. We receive notifications from Stripe to our webhook which updates the billing state. > So even if pay with a virtual debit card and use an email relay, it can still be tied back to your search history That is why we make the point of not having any search history. Think about it - what would we use it for? It would just be a liability for us.

encryptluks2 4y ago
> We don't log payment transactions. We receive notifications from Stripe to our webhook which updates the billing state. So then you have a Stripe account with the transaction information. It is ridiculous to think that you have no information about payments coming to you, not even a transaction ID or reference number. > That is why we make the point of not having any search history. Think about it - what would we use it for? It would just be a liability for us. "Trust us bro, we don't log." Yeah, no thanks... I don't trust you because you told me to, and I've seen other companies saying the same thing that did in fact comply and keep logs but had agreements with agencies that made it "okay" to lie.

redavni 4y ago

I am not Kagi, but $10 a month would not be anywhere near enough money for anyone to provide you with protection from the law.

encryptluks2 4y ago
So Signal provides encrypted communication for free but should be charging $100/mo?
- freediver 4y ago
  Signal (sending messages in general) has a fractional cost of use, compared to something like a search engine. It is at least 10,000 times cheaper to send a message to another device than to search the web.