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> settler-colonialist state based on religion Are you referring to Jewish colonialists coming to British ruled Palestine in the early 20th century, Muslim colo

> settler-colonialist state based on religion Are you referring to Jewish colonialists coming to British ruled Palestine in the early 20th century, Muslim colonialists conquering Byzantine ruled Palestina in the early 7th century, Roman colonialists that exiled Jews and renamed the area Palestina in the early 2nd century after previous conquest, Greeks, Persians, Babylonians, Assyrians or Egyptians? Or maybe how according to the bible the Israelites conquered the area from the native Canaanites? (Which at least according to Wikipedia is a myth and they actually are those Canaanites) > With Israeli settlements we are way pass the point of two state solution. Sadly, English Wikipedia has very little information on the peace agreement that was almost signed at the time of the Annapolis Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference compared to the Hebrew entry on the peace talks themselves https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%90%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%98%E2%80%93%D7%90%D7%91%D7%95_%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%96%D7%9F https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA... Those talks outline the (pretty obvious) path to pece via territory exchange and the fact they were very close to being signed show to me that maybe common ground can be found again. My personal hope is that the more unreasonable settlements will just be exchanged away and thus won't pose a serious barrier to peace. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic. To inject some pessimism, I also don't see how a peace agreement can be signed with Hammas and the PIJ in control as in my mind a peace agreement will probably cause them to implode.

panick21_ 4y ago
Well we can't do much about what the Romans did. Muslim empires conquered Palestine in the 7th century yes, but they didn't widely displace the population. And even in the case of the roman, there was a large diaspora within the roman empire at the time, but not really a whole lot of systematic population replacment. The colonists movement called Zionism (that is historically closely interlinked with other colonialist movement and has been ever since) that started after WW1 and hit its peak after WW2 and in 1948 quite clearly and explicitly have the goal of whole sale population replacement of the whole region. The dominate right wing parties plans as far as we can tell is to import as many 'Jewish' people as they can and hope to decrease the amount of people in the West Bank and Gaza. They have pretty clear and deliberate strategy of long term ethnic cleanings, converting land that they agree in theory was gone be Palestinian and settling Israeli citizens on. If there were Muslim empires from Persia invading Palestine still today, we should fight against that as well but that is long gone. However Israeli colonialism is still fully active and pushing forward literally every day. As many people have already noted, Israel has practically made a two state solution impossible. The West Bank has been so carved up and systematically been destroyed as a viable state territory that its really can no longer function as such. The Annapolis Conference was not close to solving anything, it was just another attempt at pressuring Palestinians to politically give more concessions. Bush and his Neo-Con allies had absolute no interest what so ever in a real Palestinian state. In fact Bush did nothing to prevent massive expansion of settlements during his terms and his presidency ended any series possibility of a real 2 state solution.
- myth_drannon 4y ago
  Zionism started way before WWI
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    I understand that but not until WW1 was it really in-acted at any kind of scale.
    - myth_drannon 4y ago
      No, but the initial steps were the hardest, they started the ball rolling. It was the initial early steps showed that the Zionist project in Palestine was viable. Then around WWI jews and arabs started to flock to Palestine.
kurupt213 4y ago
The Israelites are from a couple of the Canaanite cities. They conquered their neighbors who were also canaanites. Many of the cities focused worship on different gods in the Canaanite pantheon. The Israelites had gone to the extreme of denying all deities who weren’t the one they worshiped.

panick21_ 4y ago

Well we can't do much about what the Romans did. Muslim empires conquered Palestine in the 7th century yes, but they didn't widely displace the population. And even in the case of the roman, there was a large diaspora within the roman empire at the time, but not really a whole lot of systematic population replacment. The colonists movement called Zionism (that is historically closely interlinked with other colonialist movement and has been ever since) that started after WW1 and hit its peak after WW2 and in 1948 quite clearly and explicitly have the goal of whole sale population replacement of the whole region. The dominate right wing parties plans as far as we can tell is to import as many 'Jewish' people as they can and hope to decrease the amount of people in the West Bank and Gaza. They have pretty clear and deliberate strategy of long term ethnic cleanings, converting land that they agree in theory was gone be Palestinian and settling Israeli citizens on. If there were Muslim empires from Persia invading Palestine still today, we should fight against that as well but that is long gone. However Israeli colonialism is still fully active and pushing forward literally every day. As many people have already noted, Israel has practically made a two state solution impossible. The West Bank has been so carved up and systematically been destroyed as a viable state territory that its really can no longer function as such. The Annapolis Conference was not close to solving anything, it was just another attempt at pressuring Palestinians to politically give more concessions. Bush and his Neo-Con allies had absolute no interest what so ever in a real Palestinian state. In fact Bush did nothing to prevent massive expansion of settlements during his terms and his presidency ended any series possibility of a real 2 state solution.

myth_drannon 4y ago
Zionism started way before WWI
- panick21_ 4y ago
  I understand that but not until WW1 was it really in-acted at any kind of scale.
  - myth_drannon 4y ago
    No, but the initial steps were the hardest, they started the ball rolling. It was the initial early steps showed that the Zionist project in Palestine was viable. Then around WWI jews and arabs started to flock to Palestine.

kurupt213 4y ago

The Israelites are from a couple of the Canaanite cities. They conquered their neighbors who were also canaanites. Many of the cities focused worship on different gods in the Canaanite pantheon. The Israelites had gone to the extreme of denying all deities who weren’t the one they worshiped.