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You're blaming your straw man for "nearsightedness and expediency", yet it took you 0 rational arguments to come to a conclusion about the correct outcome. I a

You're blaming your straw man for "nearsightedness and expediency", yet it took you 0 rational arguments to come to a conclusion about the correct outcome. I also have no idea where you come up with this taboo against skepticism. Read the comments on any HN article about a new technology and you'll find skeptics front and center. It's certainly alive and well in engineering. I agree with you that natural systems are more complex than we can accurately model. We should work on those models. I work in research, and collaborate with two main teams. One does environmental monitoring and modelling. The other works in extraction (mining) and chemical processing. Guess which one of those collaborations covers my salary? I love working with the environmental team but if that was the only income I'd have to leave a long time ago. If you want engineers to slow down and smell the roses, you'll find most would love to. You'd better have a way to support them though, because if they can't pay for their house while doing it you won't have many takers.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
>Guess which one of those collaborations covers my salary? I love working with the environmental team but if that was the only income I'd have to leave a long time ago. If you want engineers to slow down and smell the roses, you'll find most would love to. You'd better have a way to support them though, because if they can't pay for their house while doing it you won't have many takers.[…] This is a terribly shortsighted view. Environment is what supports us. When sea levels rise because humanity as a whole has made a series of short sighted decisions with disastrous consequences, our little houses would have helped nail the final mail on coffin of humanity.
- mecsred 4y ago
  It's not a view, it's a fact. Most environmental projects don't have a budget to support more than a couple people. If you'd like that to be different, yeah, me too. Complaining doesn't change it though, which is why I ask for ideas instead of self-righteous doomsaying.
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    Humans have 10 fingers. We desire to wear a hundred rings. It’s not ‘self righteous doomsaying’ to point out we are consuming our planet to extinction and looking for other places to stuff the maw of our human needs. The solution is to reduce world human population to carrying capacity. As a super apex predator, we need the environment and habitat to survive. If we polish off resources meant for ecosystems that need to exist to feed us, what we are doing is akin to slicing our fingers for soup because we ran out of carrots. Want less and no more than you can afford. That’s the idea.
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jelliclesfarm 4y ago

>Guess which one of those collaborations covers my salary? I love working with the environmental team but if that was the only income I'd have to leave a long time ago. If you want engineers to slow down and smell the roses, you'll find most would love to. You'd better have a way to support them though, because if they can't pay for their house while doing it you won't have many takers.[…] This is a terribly shortsighted view. Environment is what supports us. When sea levels rise because humanity as a whole has made a series of short sighted decisions with disastrous consequences, our little houses would have helped nail the final mail on coffin of humanity.

mecsred 4y ago
It's not a view, it's a fact. Most environmental projects don't have a budget to support more than a couple people. If you'd like that to be different, yeah, me too. Complaining doesn't change it though, which is why I ask for ideas instead of self-righteous doomsaying.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Humans have 10 fingers. We desire to wear a hundred rings. It’s not ‘self righteous doomsaying’ to point out we are consuming our planet to extinction and looking for other places to stuff the maw of our human needs. The solution is to reduce world human population to carrying capacity. As a super apex predator, we need the environment and habitat to survive. If we polish off resources meant for ecosystems that need to exist to feed us, what we are doing is akin to slicing our fingers for soup because we ran out of carrots. Want less and no more than you can afford. That’s the idea.
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