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One thing that I actually love about Kagi, is that they tell you how much you cost them. In the settings, under billing, there is a usage tab where it says how

One thing that I actually love about Kagi, is that they tell you how much you cost them. In the settings, under billing, there is a usage tab where it says how much your queries cost. Apparently last month I "used" $2 more than I paid, hopefully I am making it up with the word of mouth I spread. There's more info in their FAQ https://kagi.com/faq#cost https://kagi.com/faq#cost

bogwog 4y ago
Wow I'm more than $10 in the red so far after being subbed for 3 months, with an average of around 1200 search per month! I really hope that their high costs are due to some inefficiencies (e.g. with their current scale) they haven't been able to work out yet, otherwise that does not bode well for the concept of a paid search engine... or maybe I'm just an extreme outlier? I pretty much only ever search for documentation and things like that while I'm working, but I apparently do that a lot lol. The price they're using seems to be $0.0125/query. I'm assuming that includes business expenses, like dev/admin/salary costs, and not just the raw costs of executing a query. I guess a price hike to ~$15/mo would cover my particular usage, and I might be willing to pay that much, although I don't think many others would. $10 is already more than a lot of people are willing to pay just for search. Maybe if they bundled some other services into the subscription it would be more appealing? People expect search to be free, but are willing to pay for other services that are probably much cheaper to operate (VPN, password manager, cloud storage, etc)
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > I'm assuming that includes business expenses, like dev/admin/salary costs It actually does not, it covers infrastructure, but not salaries. Salaries for Orion/Kagi devs are currently paid by Vlad out of pocket, he mentioned that on Discord. I’d say with 1200 you are slightly above average from what people shared on discord (I only hit $10 in costs in August for the first time). When the post was discussed on discord, I mentioned that $19/mo would be too much for me, on the other hand I could do $12/mo with a 2-year pre-pay (not that I have to, thanks to the grandfathering)
freediver 4y ago
You are, that is a fantastic way to look at it!

bogwog 4y ago

Wow I'm more than $10 in the red so far after being subbed for 3 months, with an average of around 1200 search per month! I really hope that their high costs are due to some inefficiencies (e.g. with their current scale) they haven't been able to work out yet, otherwise that does not bode well for the concept of a paid search engine... or maybe I'm just an extreme outlier? I pretty much only ever search for documentation and things like that while I'm working, but I apparently do that a lot lol. The price they're using seems to be $0.0125/query. I'm assuming that includes business expenses, like dev/admin/salary costs, and not just the raw costs of executing a query. I guess a price hike to ~$15/mo would cover my particular usage, and I might be willing to pay that much, although I don't think many others would. $10 is already more than a lot of people are willing to pay just for search. Maybe if they bundled some other services into the subscription it would be more appealing? People expect search to be free, but are willing to pay for other services that are probably much cheaper to operate (VPN, password manager, cloud storage, etc)

Semaphor 4y ago
> I'm assuming that includes business expenses, like dev/admin/salary costs It actually does not, it covers infrastructure, but not salaries. Salaries for Orion/Kagi devs are currently paid by Vlad out of pocket, he mentioned that on Discord. I’d say with 1200 you are slightly above average from what people shared on discord (I only hit $10 in costs in August for the first time). When the post was discussed on discord, I mentioned that $19/mo would be too much for me, on the other hand I could do $12/mo with a 2-year pre-pay (not that I have to, thanks to the grandfathering)

freediver 4y ago

You are, that is a fantastic way to look at it!