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The things you have listed minimize the impact of network latency, they don't affect the rendering performance which is still a big deal. Apps that need to rend

by doix 4y ago

The things you have listed minimize the impact of network latency, they don't affect the rendering performance which is still a big deal. Apps that need to render large amounts of data still kind of suck, you'll see many apps "virtualize" things. So rather than having 10,000 elements, you have however many fit in your viewport + N and as you scroll they get reused. The tearing hurts my soul. Compare the scrolling in Excel 97 + Windows NT to Google Sheets/Office 365. It's night and day. The webapps that render everything with WebGL do preform better, but then you have non-native widgets. I hope this problem gets solved one day.

madeofpalk 4y ago
Native OS widgets virtualize large lists as well. Some do it better than others.
lewisl9029 4y ago
In my experience, time-slicing and deferring renders for large lists (via APIs like useDeferredValue and/or requestIdleCallback, etc), combined with memoization can be a great alternative to virtualization. For a lot of use cases where people jump straight to virtualization, it's not actually the number of elements that exist in the DOM at once that's the problem (React and browsers these days can handle a lot more than what's intuitive to most people). The problem is usually the cost of rendering all those elements at once in the initial mount, which often can cause visible frame drops and even noticeable freezes of the page. Deferred rendering and time slicing can amortize this cost over a longer period of time while providing essentially the same UX (by eagerly rendering the first X # of items in a list), while memoization can keep transitions to new states fast by reusing the same large list of nodes when it hasn't changed. All of these techniques combined is still orders of magnitudes less complexity and requires fewer UX compromises (tearing, loss of browser search, etc) compared to virtualization, which should be reserved only for cases where there is no other workable solution IMO.

by doix 4y ago

madeofpalk 4y ago

Native OS widgets virtualize large lists as well. Some do it better than others.

lewisl9029 4y ago

In my experience, time-slicing and deferring renders for large lists (via APIs like useDeferredValue and/or requestIdleCallback, etc), combined with memoization can be a great alternative to virtualization. For a lot of use cases where people jump straight to virtualization, it's not actually the number of elements that exist in the DOM at once that's the problem (React and browsers these days can handle a lot more than what's intuitive to most people). The problem is usually the cost of rendering all those elements at once in the initial mount, which often can cause visible frame drops and even noticeable freezes of the page. Deferred rendering and time slicing can amortize this cost over a longer period of time while providing essentially the same UX (by eagerly rendering the first X # of items in a list), while memoization can keep transitions to new states fast by reusing the same large list of nodes when it hasn't changed. All of these techniques combined is still orders of magnitudes less complexity and requires fewer UX compromises (tearing, loss of browser search, etc) compared to virtualization, which should be reserved only for cases where there is no other workable solution IMO.