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I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understand

I'm seeing several comments here demonstrating that some people do not understand the long conflict between Palestine and Israel. That's too bad, but understandable, as the United States government in particular has been uniquely supportive of Israel and has defended its interest. Public criticism has been easily squashed by dismissing anything negative regarding Israel's policies as anti-Semitic. There's a great documentary on the subject called Roadmap To Apartheid and I encourage folks to check it out. It describes Israel/Palestine as an Apartheid state, comparing it to Apartheid South Africa (and even discusses how the two governments cooperated with one another). It was released in 2012 and is about 95 minutes long. A little ironically, the most convenient way to stream it is to pay a few bucks to YouTube or Amazon. Here is the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/s_hFKinVdBQ https://youtu.be/s_hFKinVdBQ

nebula8804 4y ago
I am sorry to see you are being auto downvoted but yeah discussion of this is always heavily squashed here and on Reddit. It seems like a hopeless situation but I am happy to see that the younger generation has differing views with their Boomer parents. Maybe something will come of that. Thanks for the documentary, I'll check it out and promote it as much as I can.
nailer 4y ago
You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  >isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state. You are acting in bad faith here as you know this is not effectively true (as many others have already pointed out with sources).
  - nailer 4y ago
    No - I have seen people in this thread compare people in Israel to people outside Israel. But the topic is that “Israel is an apartheid state” - and we can obviously compare the rights of Jews and Arabs within Israel. Here’s an example: https://youtu.be/AcEL-NlxBk0 https://youtu.be/AcEL-NlxBk0
- UtopiaPunk 4y ago
  It's a complex topic that challenges people's long-held beliefs. I'm under no illusions that a pithy comment on HN is going to change minds. But I hope that if a few people are open to engaging with a serious, long-form presentation on the issue, maybe some people will come away with new ideas. But you're sharing PragerU videos, so it's painfully clear where you side on this issue and that you are unlikely to seriously consider a different perspective. Have a nice day.
  - nailer 4y ago
    No. If you have a point, make it. > But you're sharing PragerU videos If you had an argument you’d respond to the content of the video rather than the source.

nebula8804 4y ago

I am sorry to see you are being auto downvoted but yeah discussion of this is always heavily squashed here and on Reddit. It seems like a hopeless situation but I am happy to see that the younger generation has differing views with their Boomer parents. Maybe something will come of that. Thanks for the documentary, I'll check it out and promote it as much as I can.

nailer 4y ago

You're being downvoted because you're not making the argument here. "Read my book" or "Watch my film" isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state.

nebula8804 4y ago
>isn't an effective answer to the question of why you'd think a state where Jews and Arabs and Europeans have equal rights is an apartheid state. You are acting in bad faith here as you know this is not effectively true (as many others have already pointed out with sources).
- nailer 4y ago
  No - I have seen people in this thread compare people in Israel to people outside Israel. But the topic is that “Israel is an apartheid state” - and we can obviously compare the rights of Jews and Arabs within Israel. Here’s an example: https://youtu.be/AcEL-NlxBk0 https://youtu.be/AcEL-NlxBk0
UtopiaPunk 4y ago
It's a complex topic that challenges people's long-held beliefs. I'm under no illusions that a pithy comment on HN is going to change minds. But I hope that if a few people are open to engaging with a serious, long-form presentation on the issue, maybe some people will come away with new ideas. But you're sharing PragerU videos, so it's painfully clear where you side on this issue and that you are unlikely to seriously consider a different perspective. Have a nice day.
- nailer 4y ago
  No. If you have a point, make it. > But you're sharing PragerU videos If you had an argument you’d respond to the content of the video rather than the source.