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I think the AI will find little reason to take us with them to the stars.

semi-extrinsic 4y ago
I don't understand people who say things like this. If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? It is like Voltaire, Rousseau, Locke, Milton, Hobbes, Rawls never even existed and we don't have any sort of coherent understanding of political philosophy and how power is gained and enacted at the consent of the governed. I also find that discussions of interstellar travel tend to conveniently ignore the fact that a society that develops to the point where this is feasible, must necessarily also have developed to the point of a fully post-growth economy, which leads to fundamental questions of why that society (or parts of it) would seek to undertake interstellar travel at all. It's a boring answer, sure, but many facts of life are quite boring.
- cityofdelusion 4y ago
  > If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? Completely depends on if super-intelligence is possible from that AGI model, and if so, how fast the ramp up will be to super-intelligence. The problem for insects is not that humans "dominate" them (in fact most insects have total "freedom"); the problem is that humans do not take the concerns of insects into account for any of their decision making.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  > If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? Biological evolution takes millions of years to improve human intelligence. Artificial intelligence will be able to develop and deploy self-improvements within years, compounding its abilities.
  - semi-extrinsic 4y ago
    I get that hypothetically these AGIs would become very smart. But it's not like being very smart is the main criterium for gaining power and becoming a world leader? All real power stems from old men talking in country clubs and golf courses. The super-smart people work in labs and universities and earn decent salaries while worrying about publication and citationd statistics and journal impact factors. How does the AGI go golfing?

I don't understand people who say things like this. If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? It is like Voltaire, Rousseau, Locke, Milton, Hobbes, Rawls never even existed and we don't have any sort of coherent understanding of political philosophy and how power is gained and enacted at the consent of the governed. I also find that discussions of interstellar travel tend to conveniently ignore the fact that a society that develops to the point where this is feasible, must necessarily also have developed to the point of a fully post-growth economy, which leads to fundamental questions of why that society (or parts of it) would seek to undertake interstellar travel at all. It's a boring answer, sure, but many facts of life are quite boring.

cityofdelusion 4y ago
> If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? Completely depends on if super-intelligence is possible from that AGI model, and if so, how fast the ramp up will be to super-intelligence. The problem for insects is not that humans "dominate" them (in fact most insects have total "freedom"); the problem is that humans do not take the concerns of insects into account for any of their decision making.
koheripbal 4y ago
> If we invented AGI tomorrow, how would it achieve domination over us humans? Biological evolution takes millions of years to improve human intelligence. Artificial intelligence will be able to develop and deploy self-improvements within years, compounding its abilities.
- semi-extrinsic 4y ago
  I get that hypothetically these AGIs would become very smart. But it's not like being very smart is the main criterium for gaining power and becoming a world leader? All real power stems from old men talking in country clubs and golf courses. The super-smart people work in labs and universities and earn decent salaries while worrying about publication and citationd statistics and journal impact factors. How does the AGI go golfing?