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It is a bit of hubris for us to think that we are the ones to travel the stars and not the AI we create. The "robots" will have little incentive to seed humans
by koheripbal 4y ago
It is a bit of hubris for us to think that we are the ones to travel the stars and not the AI we create.
The "robots" will have little incentive to seed humans when they get there.
- whatshisface 4y agoFortunately my blender doesn't need an incentive to grind fruit, only a hundred and twenty volts.
- bumby 4y agoAh, but what makes you confident humans (or any other animal) isn't likewise acting deterministically with just a veiled illusion of free-will and incentive?
- freedomben 4y agoYour question sounds like a troll, but it's actually a fascinating one. Reminds me so much of reading Descartes and essentially asking, "How do I know I'm not asleep and dreaming?"
- bumby 4y agoSorry if it came across that way, it definitely wasn't the intent! I think Sam Harris has some pretty fascinating and accessible discussions on the topic. There's also some interesting neuroscience work that seems to conflict with the common notions of free-will.
- freedomben 4y agooh yeah, totally agree Sam Harris on this is really awesome. I also love Robert Sapolsky's stuff. He's got several great videos on Youtube and his books are awesome as well.
- hypertele-Xii 4y agoYou know you're awake because reality has continuity and makes sense. Conversely, dreams are fragmented and implausible. You can train yourself to check this to lucid dream (become aware that you are dreaming).
- bil7 4y agoI've had vivid dreams where I was completely convinced I was in reality. Continuity was maintained well enough to fool me. How could I know I wasn't in a dream? How can I truly know beyond doubt that I am not in a dream?
- freedomben 4y agoYes you can sometimes do that (I've lucid dreamed quite a few times before and it's pretty wild), but it's nowhere near 100% reliable. you can get pretty good with practice, but even then it's not a scientific test. It's more of a process of reasoning and gut checking. The human mind can fill in an incredible amount of detail when needed. In one lucid dream I was playing a song on the guitar that I had (as far as I know) never heard before (myself in the dream was inventing the song). I realized I was dreaming before waking up and practiced the song over and over so it was stuck in my head, and then immediately after waking I wrote down the tablature. It ended up being a pretty good song, and (at least so far) I haven't heard anything else like it. Obviously this is heavy anecdata, but I've never heard a scientific explanation of how to be certain whether or not you're dreaming (or as Descartes describes, being deceived by a demon).
- bumby 4y ago>it's not a scientific test. Isn't every subjective experience, almost by definition, unable to be tested scientifically? We can objectively measure someone's brain activity during sleep, but we can't really measure their subjective experience. Implying that everything made up of subjective experience (like consciousness) can't be measured. Which also implies it can't be proven by scientific means. So in response to the GP comment, I'm not sure we can "know you're awake" (in the scientific sense, at least).
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 4y agoLiking fruit is far from being an automaton.
- bumby 4y agoCan you elaborate? It's not immediately clear to me what you meant. Can not both simple and complex decisions be the artifact of a deterministic process?
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- dreen 4y agoFrom physics point of view, I guess everything is deterministic. But from a human point of view, the question is irrelevant, because we can only experience reality as humans.
- quadcore 4y agoYour blender didnt learn survival from you. Yet.
- gscott 4y agoWe don't need to bring humans we can bring some sort of fungus and eventually it will evolve into humans over billions of years.