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California was a red state up until what like 8 years ago. According to your timeline it was those darn republicans after all.

refurb 4y ago
California has been a blue state (as per Presidential votes) since the 80's. You're only off by 30 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele...
- kagakuninja 4y ago
  While true, California also has the infamous Proposition 13, designed in the 70s by conservatives to starve the state of tax income. One of its provisions is that tax increases require a 2/3 supermajority on any tax increases enacted legislature. This effectively gave Republicans a veto on most sources of revenue. This led to chronic budget deficits, which would often be papered over by issuing bonds, and a variety of "fees". Such as the hated auto registration fee, which was one of the grievances during the recall of Democratic governor Gray Davis. Eventually we decided we had enough of Republicans, and Democrats gained a super majority in state congress. Now the state is running a surplus. I'm not claiming they have solved our problems, but at least we have money to build things again.
  - EricE 4y ago
    You do know that governments can also decrease their spending - and you can decrease from doing things other than just cutting services (how about fraud, waste, abuse, redundancies, etc.?) The only answer isn't to tax more?
  - EricE 4y ago
    As for the budget "surplus" - CA has retired all its debt too? Now that really is good news! lol - surplus with a debt is just accounting fun and games. Keep deluding yourselves; I'm sure nothing bad - like not having enough power - will come from it.
  - Stupulous 4y ago
    Worth noting, I think, that California has the highest income tax rate in the country by a good margin and the 4th highest tax revenue per capita among states in 2021.
ceeplusplus 4y ago
CA has been blue since 92 [1]. [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13563106/election-map-historical-vote https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13563106/e...
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Is it typical of blue states to elect Republican governors by popular vote?
  - ceeplusplus 4y ago
    Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts. "Republican" governors in blue states are not really the type of right wing Republican you're thinking of, they're usually just moderates like Biden.
keneda7 4y ago
This is completely incorrect. The CA senate has been democratic since 1970. Besides 95-96 the CA assembly has been democratic since 1970. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature#:~:text=Except%20for%20a%20brief%20period,continuous%20Democratic%20control%20since%201970 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature#:.... Please don't post straight up lies to push your political agenda.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  What do you know, in 2006 they elected a Republican as governor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_California_gubernatorial_election#Results_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_California_gubernatorial_... Based on those results I think it is fair to say by general population they were still a red state to some degree. I concur though my math was off by a magnitude of probably a decade or more.
  - keneda7 4y ago
    Yes you are correct, the democratic governor was recalled, then somehow Schwarzenegger won reelection. As someone who lived there and still does, I do not think the state was red in any way, rather the left was sick of what was happen under Davis. So you are arguing 8 years of a republican governor and 2 years of republican lead assembly vs 40+ years of a democrat governors and 40+ years both houses being controlled by democrats make CA republican lead?

refurb 4y ago

California has been a blue state (as per Presidential votes) since the 80's. You're only off by 30 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele...

kagakuninja 4y ago
While true, California also has the infamous Proposition 13, designed in the 70s by conservatives to starve the state of tax income. One of its provisions is that tax increases require a 2/3 supermajority on any tax increases enacted legislature. This effectively gave Republicans a veto on most sources of revenue. This led to chronic budget deficits, which would often be papered over by issuing bonds, and a variety of "fees". Such as the hated auto registration fee, which was one of the grievances during the recall of Democratic governor Gray Davis. Eventually we decided we had enough of Republicans, and Democrats gained a super majority in state congress. Now the state is running a surplus. I'm not claiming they have solved our problems, but at least we have money to build things again.
- EricE 4y ago
  You do know that governments can also decrease their spending - and you can decrease from doing things other than just cutting services (how about fraud, waste, abuse, redundancies, etc.?) The only answer isn't to tax more?
- EricE 4y ago
  As for the budget "surplus" - CA has retired all its debt too? Now that really is good news! lol - surplus with a debt is just accounting fun and games. Keep deluding yourselves; I'm sure nothing bad - like not having enough power - will come from it.
- Stupulous 4y ago
  Worth noting, I think, that California has the highest income tax rate in the country by a good margin and the 4th highest tax revenue per capita among states in 2021.

ceeplusplus 4y ago

CA has been blue since 92 [1]. [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13563106/election-map-historical-vote https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13563106/e...

encryptluks2 4y ago
Is it typical of blue states to elect Republican governors by popular vote?
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts. "Republican" governors in blue states are not really the type of right wing Republican you're thinking of, they're usually just moderates like Biden.

keneda7 4y ago

This is completely incorrect. The CA senate has been democratic since 1970. Besides 95-96 the CA assembly has been democratic since 1970. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature#:~:text=Except%20for%20a%20brief%20period,continuous%20Democratic%20control%20since%201970 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Legislature#:.... Please don't post straight up lies to push your political agenda.

encryptluks2 4y ago
What do you know, in 2006 they elected a Republican as governor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_California_gubernatorial_election#Results_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_California_gubernatorial_... Based on those results I think it is fair to say by general population they were still a red state to some degree. I concur though my math was off by a magnitude of probably a decade or more.
- keneda7 4y ago
  Yes you are correct, the democratic governor was recalled, then somehow Schwarzenegger won reelection. As someone who lived there and still does, I do not think the state was red in any way, rather the left was sick of what was happen under Davis. So you are arguing 8 years of a republican governor and 2 years of republican lead assembly vs 40+ years of a democrat governors and 40+ years both houses being controlled by democrats make CA republican lead?