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It's okay to point and laugh here, because one week they're banning non-electric vehicles and the next they're saying people shouldn't charge their electric veh

by ajvs 4y ago

It's okay to point and laugh here, because one week they're banning non-electric vehicles and the next they're saying people shouldn't charge their electric vehicles due to insufficient electricity.

acidburnNSA 4y ago
At least they voted to keep their nuclear plant on for another 5 years.
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jlmorton 4y ago
There's nothing contradictory there. The fact that EV charging can be easily time-shifted is an enormous benefit. There are few things as beneficial to the grid as EVs will be.
- falcolas 4y ago
  > EV charging can be easily time-shifted If, and only if, you live in a place that provides you with the ability to overnight charge. So that probably excludes a vast majority of Californians who live in apartments or condos. Charging cables are also pretty popular with thieves, since they contain a lot of copper and provide no inherent theft prevention, another minus for apartment/condo dwellers.
  - jlmorton 4y ago
    All of those locations will soon have EV chargers. People will demand them as EVs become mass market. My own apartment building has five EV chargers. Destination chargers will be common too. This will happen slowly at first, but exponentially increase. And the inverse is true, too: as gas vehicles start to decline, gas stations will slowly start to decline, and then more and more quickly close. People will start to notice it's less convenient to find a gas station, and prices are less competitive. This will all lead to a nice positive feedback loop for EVs and a negative feedback loop for gas cars.
    - falcolas 4y ago
      The point of my comment, taken in the context of the parent comment, is that time shifting is not automatic nor easy with the move to electric cars. It requires charging at home, overnight, to do. And I'm glad your apartment building has chargers - no apartment buildings have them in my hometown. > This will happen slowly at first, but exponentially increase. A vast majority, in my experience, of apartment building owners barely provide basic amenities to their tenants... I'm not as optimistic as you on this growth, especially when locations with fast chargers (i.e. gas station equivalents) will exist.
- EricE 4y ago
  Did you read the article? Because I was surprised to see the major deficiencies they are worried about are at night. When are you advocating people charge their cars again?
  - plorkyeran 4y ago
    4-9 PM extends to about an hour after sunset this time of year. I suppose it technically involves a bit of night, but that does not overlap at all with the normal electric car charging window (midnight to 6 AM).
  - vel0city 4y ago
    My car starts charging at 10:00 PM on weekdays. I don't have a time of use plan, but I like giving the garage a chance to cool down a bit and I might as well have it charge later when I'm not putting as much load trying to cool off the house for the evening. Last night I plugged it in around 8:30 PM. It started charging at 10:00 PM. It spent ~2.5 hours charging, finishing up its charge around 12:30 PM. It pulled ~6kWh of energy over those two hours, so it was charging at about 25A of power. Then about 15 minutes before I leave in the mornings, it preconditions the car and battery to the temperature I want using the home's energy. Its nice always getting in a comfortable car every morning regardless of how hot or cold it is. I could have shifted this even a few hours later and it still would have easily met my needs. I could of had my car start charging at 4:00 AM and it would have hit my target charge by 6:30.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      Actually, my math was wrong on that. 6,000Wh / 2.5h = 2,400W / 240V = 10A.
scarby2 4y ago
So electric vehicles might end up being part of the solution here. The new ones are starting to come with v2g.
tzs 4y ago
They are banning new ICE cars 13 years from now.

by ajvs 4y ago

It's okay to point and laugh here, because one week they're banning non-electric vehicles and the next they're saying people shouldn't charge their electric vehicles due to insufficient electricity.

acidburnNSA 4y ago

At least they voted to keep their nuclear plant on for another 5 years.

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jlmorton 4y ago

There's nothing contradictory there. The fact that EV charging can be easily time-shifted is an enormous benefit. There are few things as beneficial to the grid as EVs will be.

falcolas 4y ago
> EV charging can be easily time-shifted If, and only if, you live in a place that provides you with the ability to overnight charge. So that probably excludes a vast majority of Californians who live in apartments or condos. Charging cables are also pretty popular with thieves, since they contain a lot of copper and provide no inherent theft prevention, another minus for apartment/condo dwellers.
- jlmorton 4y ago
  All of those locations will soon have EV chargers. People will demand them as EVs become mass market. My own apartment building has five EV chargers. Destination chargers will be common too. This will happen slowly at first, but exponentially increase. And the inverse is true, too: as gas vehicles start to decline, gas stations will slowly start to decline, and then more and more quickly close. People will start to notice it's less convenient to find a gas station, and prices are less competitive. This will all lead to a nice positive feedback loop for EVs and a negative feedback loop for gas cars.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    The point of my comment, taken in the context of the parent comment, is that time shifting is not automatic nor easy with the move to electric cars. It requires charging at home, overnight, to do. And I'm glad your apartment building has chargers - no apartment buildings have them in my hometown. > This will happen slowly at first, but exponentially increase. A vast majority, in my experience, of apartment building owners barely provide basic amenities to their tenants... I'm not as optimistic as you on this growth, especially when locations with fast chargers (i.e. gas station equivalents) will exist.
EricE 4y ago
Did you read the article? Because I was surprised to see the major deficiencies they are worried about are at night. When are you advocating people charge their cars again?
- plorkyeran 4y ago
  4-9 PM extends to about an hour after sunset this time of year. I suppose it technically involves a bit of night, but that does not overlap at all with the normal electric car charging window (midnight to 6 AM).
- vel0city 4y ago
  My car starts charging at 10:00 PM on weekdays. I don't have a time of use plan, but I like giving the garage a chance to cool down a bit and I might as well have it charge later when I'm not putting as much load trying to cool off the house for the evening. Last night I plugged it in around 8:30 PM. It started charging at 10:00 PM. It spent ~2.5 hours charging, finishing up its charge around 12:30 PM. It pulled ~6kWh of energy over those two hours, so it was charging at about 25A of power. Then about 15 minutes before I leave in the mornings, it preconditions the car and battery to the temperature I want using the home's energy. Its nice always getting in a comfortable car every morning regardless of how hot or cold it is. I could have shifted this even a few hours later and it still would have easily met my needs. I could of had my car start charging at 4:00 AM and it would have hit my target charge by 6:30.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    Actually, my math was wrong on that. 6,000Wh / 2.5h = 2,400W / 240V = 10A.

scarby2 4y ago

So electric vehicles might end up being part of the solution here. The new ones are starting to come with v2g.

tzs 4y ago

They are banning new ICE cars 13 years from now.