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That's what we have the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons for. It bans the use of incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas via air

by cygx 4y ago

That's what we have the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons for. It bans the use of incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas via air delivery, and delivery by other means under various circumstances. Cf https://treaties.unoda.org/t/ccwc_p3 https://treaties.unoda.org/t/ccwc_p3 Allegedly, the US fired such weapons from helicopters in urban areas with a civilian presence.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Which the US signed in 2009. The 2nd battle of Fallujah was in 2004. Do you have a source for the air delivery? I'm only seeing reference to WP artillery which is somehow kosher compared to something dropped from an aircraft. This entire thread is a distraction though. The article is about urban combat in the context of Russia's war in Ukraine which nobody here wants to discuss for some reason.
- cygx 4y ago
  Which the US signed in 2009. The 2nd battle of Fallujah was in 2004. "We hadn't yet promised not to do war crimes, so it's ok if we did." Do you have a source for the air delivery? There were articles about it at the time. From what I could find just now, the claim about helicopters goes back to an Italian documentary[1]. The use of Mark-77 bombs has been confirmed, but depending on the target, this can be considered justified according to international law (aside from the whole war having been started under false pretenses, of course). That same documentary claimed use of Mark-77 bombs in civilian areas of Baghdad, though (cf [2]). > This entire thread is a distraction though. Sure. Let me be clear: The fact that the US military has dirty hands does not absolve non-Western powers of their respective culpabilities. Russia in particular has fielded kill squads performing extrajudicial executions (Chechnya), private armies of brownshirt (Wagner group), and they are responsible for the heaviest bombing campaign in Europe since WW2 (first battle of Grozny) with tens of thousand of civilian casualties, and lots of other atrocities I don't remember off-hand. Russia = bad. Satisfied? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb#Use_in_Iraq_and_Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb#Use_in_Iraq_and_A...

by cygx 4y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Which the US signed in 2009. The 2nd battle of Fallujah was in 2004. Do you have a source for the air delivery? I'm only seeing reference to WP artillery which is somehow kosher compared to something dropped from an aircraft. This entire thread is a distraction though. The article is about urban combat in the context of Russia's war in Ukraine which nobody here wants to discuss for some reason.

cygx 4y ago
Which the US signed in 2009. The 2nd battle of Fallujah was in 2004. "We hadn't yet promised not to do war crimes, so it's ok if we did." Do you have a source for the air delivery? There were articles about it at the time. From what I could find just now, the claim about helicopters goes back to an Italian documentary[1]. The use of Mark-77 bombs has been confirmed, but depending on the target, this can be considered justified according to international law (aside from the whole war having been started under false pretenses, of course). That same documentary claimed use of Mark-77 bombs in civilian areas of Baghdad, though (cf [2]). > This entire thread is a distraction though. Sure. Let me be clear: The fact that the US military has dirty hands does not absolve non-Western powers of their respective culpabilities. Russia in particular has fielded kill squads performing extrajudicial executions (Chechnya), private armies of brownshirt (Wagner group), and they are responsible for the heaviest bombing campaign in Europe since WW2 (first battle of Grozny) with tens of thousand of civilian casualties, and lots of other atrocities I don't remember off-hand. Russia = bad. Satisfied? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallujah,_The_Hidden_Massacre [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb#Use_in_Iraq_and_Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb#Use_in_Iraq_and_A...