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If people die, and there were super easy checks to kee power from tripping off that had been reported on and ignored, sure, I'll be mad as hell. I'm still incr

If people die, and there were super easy checks to kee power from tripping off that had been reported on and ignored, sure, I'll be mad as hell. I'm still incredibly mad that PG&E's grid mismanagement has caused massive fires and killed so many people. Still mad as hell about that gas line explosion that killed people and took out homes. So unless you have a particular fix or action to propose that comes from partisan politics, there's not much point into turning this into a partisan politics battle.

adamsmith143 4y ago
Well it certainly wasn't conservatives cheering and meme'ing the suffering of millions of Texans
- falcolas 4y ago
  It wasn't liberals either. We were largely sad and provided support where we could to the citizens. We were also angry at the senators and other Texas officials who brought that situation about. I (I'll even go so far to say that a vast majority of liberal leaning folks) don't rejoice in other's misery.
  - abduhl 4y ago
    The common scene I see is that the majority of <insert ideologically identifying term> don’t rejoice in other’s misery but rather do rejoice in pointing out how much those others deserve it.
    - falcolas 4y ago
      FWIW, I don't believe that's actually a commonly held belief. I believe that's <insert ideologically identifying term> leadership's dogma created to keep the other group(s), well, other. To prevent their followers from reaching out and looking for common ground.
      - abduhl 4y ago
        This is a comforting thought for people who adhere to a certain group’s dogma but do not want to take responsibility for that group’s actions. It’s like how some people “love Russians” but “hate Putin.” At a certain point your participation in a group signals your acceptance of the leadership’s dogma.
        falcolas 4y ago
        Holding some of the same ideals as a group is not participation in that group. And with that, I'm finished with this particular thread. Have a great day. :)
- jen20 4y ago
  Definitely was in some cases: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-texans-endure-blackouts-keep-government-out https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-t...
falcolas 4y ago
I'm with you. PG&E is criticized in these cases by pretty much everybody, liberal and conservative. And rightfully so, especially since they also have the distinction of starting so many forest fires.
Test0129 4y ago
The partisan debate is related to green energy. By and large it's insufficient for now. The very same progressives who slam coal power also slam one of the greatest forms of green energy - nuclear. Solar efficiency is only ~17%, wind is 35% but has environmental hazards associated with it. Nuclear is 92%, coal is about 80%. So it's rather comedic to see the paragon of progressive virtue (signaling) suddenly suffering grid failure. Click through a few of these: https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/power-source-disclosure/power-content-label/annual-power-content-1 https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/power... PG&E is a notable exception. However, PG&E is a mismanaged dumpster fire. There are costs to being the "leader in renewable energies" and this is one of them. Unfortunately for us normal people we have to suffer because of this virtue signaling and it comes at times like this in absurd heat waves going through the west. The problem with California in general is everything is done in a knee jerk fashion. There are right ways and wrong ways to roll out new energy programs and by fiat ruling to the rip the bandaid is how you get a situation that will kill people. This is an actual notable benefit of conservatism (the principle, not the people). You may be sometimes decades behind the latest and greatest but you don't find yourself in a heat wave without enough power, either.
- epistasis 4y ago
  Replying again as I just came across this article: Texas's ERCOT issued nearly identical guidance as CAISO's guidance we are talking about here, and there was no outcry There's a double standard here, and Texas does not get criticized where California does: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-power-use-breaks-record-heat-wave-again-with-no-blackouts-2022-07-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-power-use-breaks-reco...
- epistasis 4y ago
  This is not a critique based on data or reality, it's vague smears. California's grid problems are not from "green energy" and it's frankly ridiculous to even say something like that. California's grid problems are from not planning for massive generation increases to match an unprecedented heat wave. It's not from natural gas plants not being properly weatherized, it's not because "green energy" can't do something, it's 100% from not building enough generation. Politics is too often a way to turn off our brains and avoid critical thinking. And in this case, as it is also in evaluating Texas's failure, partisan politics and "green energy" only obscures truth rather than revealing truth.

adamsmith143 4y ago

Well it certainly wasn't conservatives cheering and meme'ing the suffering of millions of Texans

falcolas 4y ago
It wasn't liberals either. We were largely sad and provided support where we could to the citizens. We were also angry at the senators and other Texas officials who brought that situation about. I (I'll even go so far to say that a vast majority of liberal leaning folks) don't rejoice in other's misery.
- abduhl 4y ago
  The common scene I see is that the majority of <insert ideologically identifying term> don’t rejoice in other’s misery but rather do rejoice in pointing out how much those others deserve it.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    FWIW, I don't believe that's actually a commonly held belief. I believe that's <insert ideologically identifying term> leadership's dogma created to keep the other group(s), well, other. To prevent their followers from reaching out and looking for common ground.
    - abduhl 4y ago
      This is a comforting thought for people who adhere to a certain group’s dogma but do not want to take responsibility for that group’s actions. It’s like how some people “love Russians” but “hate Putin.” At a certain point your participation in a group signals your acceptance of the leadership’s dogma.
      - falcolas 4y ago
        Holding some of the same ideals as a group is not participation in that group. And with that, I'm finished with this particular thread. Have a great day. :)
jen20 4y ago
Definitely was in some cases: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-texans-endure-blackouts-keep-government-out https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/18/rick-perry-t...

falcolas 4y ago

I'm with you. PG&E is criticized in these cases by pretty much everybody, liberal and conservative. And rightfully so, especially since they also have the distinction of starting so many forest fires.

Test0129 4y ago

The partisan debate is related to green energy. By and large it's insufficient for now. The very same progressives who slam coal power also slam one of the greatest forms of green energy - nuclear. Solar efficiency is only ~17%, wind is 35% but has environmental hazards associated with it. Nuclear is 92%, coal is about 80%. So it's rather comedic to see the paragon of progressive virtue (signaling) suddenly suffering grid failure. Click through a few of these: https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/power-source-disclosure/power-content-label/annual-power-content-1 https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/power... PG&E is a notable exception. However, PG&E is a mismanaged dumpster fire. There are costs to being the "leader in renewable energies" and this is one of them. Unfortunately for us normal people we have to suffer because of this virtue signaling and it comes at times like this in absurd heat waves going through the west. The problem with California in general is everything is done in a knee jerk fashion. There are right ways and wrong ways to roll out new energy programs and by fiat ruling to the rip the bandaid is how you get a situation that will kill people. This is an actual notable benefit of conservatism (the principle, not the people). You may be sometimes decades behind the latest and greatest but you don't find yourself in a heat wave without enough power, either.

epistasis 4y ago
Replying again as I just came across this article: Texas's ERCOT issued nearly identical guidance as CAISO's guidance we are talking about here, and there was no outcry There's a double standard here, and Texas does not get criticized where California does: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-power-use-breaks-record-heat-wave-again-with-no-blackouts-2022-07-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-power-use-breaks-reco...
epistasis 4y ago
This is not a critique based on data or reality, it's vague smears. California's grid problems are not from "green energy" and it's frankly ridiculous to even say something like that. California's grid problems are from not planning for massive generation increases to match an unprecedented heat wave. It's not from natural gas plants not being properly weatherized, it's not because "green energy" can't do something, it's 100% from not building enough generation. Politics is too often a way to turn off our brains and avoid critical thinking. And in this case, as it is also in evaluating Texas's failure, partisan politics and "green energy" only obscures truth rather than revealing truth.